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Ultra-Vaxxed Israel Shattered Their Record for Covid-19 New Cases Today. Are ‘Vaccines’ Spreading Covid-19 Faster?
noqreport.com ^ | August 31, 2021 | JD Rucker

Posted on 08/31/2021 2:11:45 PM PDT by NoLibZone

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To: NoLibZone
At the very least, reports of new cases and new deaths in various states and various countries make glib generalizations about the vaccines and the various mitigation policies (masks, shutdowns, etc.) difficult to sustain, whether pro or con.

In many places, vaccines do indeed seem to provide significant short-term relief from the worst effects of Covid. But in some places with high vaccination rates and stiff mitigation policies (e.g., Israel abroad and Oregon here), Covid is worse than ever. In some places, the Delta surge does seem mainly a surge among the unvaccinated; in other places, new cases among the vaccinated are growing well beyond the insignificant numbers initially reported. And the decreasing effectiveness of the vaccines over time is now recognized even by many of their staunchest defenders.

And still unknown are the long-term effects of the vaccines, as well as the role the vaccines have played in the relatively large number of serious side effects and deaths that have been reported. Is it coincidence or causality? If the latter, are the positive benefits worth the risks?

The only thing that is certain is the need for more debate and more research, not the pre-emptive dismissal of debate that we so often see.
21 posted on 08/31/2021 2:48:27 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Pollard
Deaths in Italy, Spain, UK and France are down 90 percent or more since January. Vaccination rates are as almost as high or higher than Israel:
Israel 60.6
UK 64.0
France 59.2
Italy 60.5
Spain 69.7
The combined population of these 4 countries is 25 times the population of Israel. But if you want to ignore 96% of the data and look at 4%, fine.
22 posted on 08/31/2021 2:55:33 PM PDT by brookwood (Obama said you could keep your plan - Sanders says higher taxes will improve the weather)
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To: NoLibZone

I hope the dingbat in my business networking group who insisted two months ago that Israel was a model for vaccine compliance and effectiveness is on top of these numbers now.


23 posted on 08/31/2021 2:55:56 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("All lies and jest, ‘til a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.")
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To: deport
M&W definition of vaccine
24 posted on 08/31/2021 2:56:34 PM PDT by knarf (qa)
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To: eyeamok
"Why Was News of India’s Success With Ivermectin Against the Coronavirus Suppressed?"

India had a huge, widely reported surge in Covid cases and deaths in April and May. That spike has been over for more than two months. Were Ivermection treatments begun in response to that spike, and do they attribute the end of the spike to thewidespread use of Ivermectin?
25 posted on 08/31/2021 2:58:24 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: All
You may find this interesting.

(STUDY) Why so many vaccinated people are getting sick: Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE)
26 posted on 08/31/2021 2:58:59 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: brookwood

Wonder which jab they used?

btw, I mostly care about what’s happening in my little neck of the woods. County of 24,000 with 43 deaths “attributed to covid” in 19 months. Mainly the same people who would have died from the flu, 80+ with 2-3 comorbidities, 1/3 of them in nursing homes and the rest probably just couldn’t afford to be in one.


27 posted on 08/31/2021 3:00:18 PM PDT by Pollard (#*&% Communism)
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To: NoLibZone

FRANKENSTEIN vaccines are working exactly as designed. Creating a lifetime dependency. So nice to live a life of freedom, not being big Pharma’s junkie.


28 posted on 08/31/2021 3:00:55 PM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: brookwood; Pollard
>> Deaths in Italy, Spain, UK and France are down 90 percent or more since January.

Since January... because of natural immunity, not the vax — at least in the US




29 posted on 08/31/2021 3:01:58 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

If you trust any celebrity or politician, you need your head examined.


30 posted on 08/31/2021 3:03:34 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (DEFEAT THE COUP D'ETAT BY THE STALINAZI DERP STATE !)
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To: NoLibZone
Alleged problems with experimental CV19 "vaccine." List not intended to be complete.

Here's some positive information for fighting CV19 in my non-medical opinion.


31 posted on 08/31/2021 3:12:59 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Bttt


32 posted on 08/31/2021 3:13:07 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix circa 1984. The Gulag Archipeligo is not far behind.)
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To: brookwood
"The combined population of these 4 countries is 25 times the population of Israel. But if you want to ignore 96% of the data and look at 4%, fine."

Fair enough, but your data - showing deaths only - was also somewhat selective. The UK and Spain had a huge surge in cases this summer, although Spain's spike seems to have peaked. France also had a significant spike, but not as bad as the UK and Spain. Italy had a much smaller spike, but they still had more cases than they did in the Spring of 2020.

What interests me as much as vaccination rates is the treatment protocols that are used in different countries, and the effect they have on bringing down mortality. That is a part of the equation that doesn't get enough attention amid all the controversy over the vaccines.
33 posted on 08/31/2021 3:13:09 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: brookwood

This is not the correct measurement. January is not relevant. Delta is different virus. The only measurement that matters is how did the vaccines do PRE Delta vs how are the vaccines doing DURING Delta.

As they fail, that’s where we will see it.


35 posted on 08/31/2021 3:23:26 PM PDT by Owen
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and btw, DURING DELTA is defined as those weeks with Delta 80+% of cases/deaths.

It’s absurd to measure death counts vs original strain where there is none of the original strain still around. Measure no earlier than 1 August. Report that.


36 posted on 08/31/2021 3:26:44 PM PDT by Owen
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To: NoLibZone

The “vaccines” are working.

They are a cure for Wuhan flu hysteria, not a vaccine for the flu.

Hysteria sufferers who get the vaccine overcome their hysteria, drop their precautions and get the flu.

The success of the vaccinations is measured by the number of vaccinated who get the flu.

Herd immunity can be delayed but not avoided.


37 posted on 08/31/2021 3:37:19 PM PDT by TheDon (Resist the usurpers)
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Canada also has a high rate of vaccination and I am studying the data here carefully, but the results are not quite as stark as Israel (so far).

There has been an uptick in cases and hospitalization and deaths, since about mid-June, but the percentages of hospital admissions are rather inconclusive (for somebody trying to decide which way to go). I don’t get the feeling from the numbers I have seen that either hypothesis is true, either

(a) vaccines are very effective and mostly unvaccinated people are now being infected, admitted to hospital and dying in disproportionate numbers;

(b) vaccines are ineffective and possibly quite dangerous in spreading the virus or weakening immunity.

So it’s a bit of a toss up as the numbers are not statistically “significant” either way, they don’t prove what the media and governments are saying (you must get vaccinated for your own good and the good of society) and they don’t prove the reverse, that vaccines are disproportionately dangerous.

I would call the numbers I have seen inconclusive and not really a strong reason to follow any particular course of action. It is more like the vaccines are not as effective as most optimistic proponents claim. That of course might be true of almost anything in the medical realm.

Will be continuing to study the data as I acquire it, always the proviso being, it’s not data that I can verify but just data that is provided by health authorities.


38 posted on 08/31/2021 3:39:17 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (It's time we got serious about COVID-74 and COVID-92 and the Bulgarian variant and ...)
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To: TexasGator

The point being made is these are NOT vaccines. They are genetic therapy, for whatever reason. Moderna claims they are “reprogramming” our “operating system”.


39 posted on 08/31/2021 3:39:37 PM PDT by datura (The voice that brought you peace has nothing left to say.)
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To: Qiviut

All we can do is spread the truth and pray the truth gets exposed.


40 posted on 08/31/2021 3:40:16 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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