This doesn’t end the war any more than the Dunkirk evacuation in 1940 ended the war in Europe.
Someone is going to clack off a vest at a sporting event or a mall or a school, etc.
When I was a child I thought all wars ended in “unconditional surrender.” I became an adult and realized there are lots of nuanced ways to win or lose a war.
And this was a loss for America even more humiliating than our loss in Vietnam. By an order of magnitude.
Surrender often leads to “the killing fields” and genocide, as we saw post collapse of South Vietnam. But Trump had all this written in stone, so Joe had no choice.
I watched a bit of local TV news last night. The anchor said “The war on terror is over.” I almost fell out of my chair.
That’s like saying, “The war against Japan is over” after Bataan fell in 1942. That war was just getting started.
And the war on terror is just getting started. Or to put it another way: You might no longer be interested in radical Islam. But radical Islam is still interested in you.
It is possible that the war has in fact ended and perhaps there will be a new, different war with the Emirate of the Taliban.
At present, today, the scope of that war is undefined.
As a matter of fact the enemy is not clearly defined. ISIS K might be the enemy hiding among the Taliban. There might be in process a resurgence of Al Qeada in Afghanistan.fIn consolidating power, the danger and atrocity is to Afghan people and not to us sitting say 10, 000 miles away
Semantics? Perhaps but the commanders must revise all their thinking and strategy in the new war.
“when ONLY 1 SIDE quits/gives up/surrenders.”
When one side surrenders in a war, isn’t that exactly how a war normally ends?
The only next step is for Biden to agree to a humiliating peace treaty with the Taliban.
agree, the dems are masters of language jujitsu. They didn’t end the war, the Islamic radicals are still at war with us until the end of time. We just withdrew from Afghanistan. The war will inevitably come to our borders.
“We defeated Japan and Germany”
We did not defeat North Korea.
We defeated Japan and Germany by taking away the will to fight away. We bomb their cities and kill their soldiers on the battlefield to the point they did not care who won the war. War is painful you need to bring the pain to the enemy’s living room to win.
Sherman understood war. We need a modern day Sherman.
Islam collectively, just as a matter of doctrine, seeks military victory in all possible theaters of combat and only encourages peacefulness to the extent it allows expanding Muslim power or just rearming.
This is why the first Gulf Wars etc both succeeded and failed.
Coalition forces succeeded in their immediate goals but their goals were limited in relation to the enemy they actually faced once Muslims made it about Islam either post Saddam and post Taliban.
There is an old saying: winners figure out how to win and then go to war, while losers go to war and then try to figure out how to win … but even that doesn’t really apply when talking about either police actions or nation building when significant elements do not want a civil society … which neither the Taliban nor the foreign sourced Islamic death squads who caused so much trouble in Iraq want.
Note that Afghanistan had a civil society before the Russians invaded and even in Iraq under the Ba’ath party before Saddam and which situationally persisted, though constantly eroded. These were not barbaric nations.
But Islam that actually tries to emulate Mohammad in public matters rejects any society not under Sharia .
And lest anyone think I’m crowing in favor of the US relative to them, our own Left is now against a civil society, tolerating and protecting violent extremism advancing socialism and race hatred in addition to class rivalries … indeed advancing perversions and madness over any form of decency and simply accepting basic facts about biology … so they’re not just against a civil society, they’re against nature and the Lord as well.
Afghanistan was not and is not “the war”. The war is with jihadists, like the Taliban, ISIS & Al Queda (Islamic militant cousins all) and Afghanistan was just one venue of it. Nothing has “ended”.
We just forfeited. Nothing accomplished during this time.
Not remotely similar.
Afghanistan did not make war on the United States. They even offered to deliver OBL to the US if we requested it though their seventh-century barbarian process.
WE invaded Afghanistan. Once that happened, the war with the Taliban was on. Now, the war is over. They won. We lost.
Losers have to drink the dregs of their defeat, as we now must.
The situation with Japan, and perhaps Germany, was different. Japan made war on us and threatened what we then thought of as vital interests. Our interest in reducing Japan's geopolitical footprint and eventually imposing a different government were imperatives to secure victory.
Germany declared war on us, and threatened allies (the USSR and the UK) who it pleased us to defend.
Victory in Europe involved the total destruction of the German armed forces and the state. Because our ally, the USSR, bore the brunt of the fighting and suffered the most, it was in our interest to prevent their armed forces from moving ahead to the Atlantic Ocean and therefore it became in our interest to stand up a friendly government in the remnants of Germany.
With the Taliban government of Afghanistan, we have the same excellent options that we had in 2001.
It was a serious strategic error to get involved in how they practice their religion, what they do with their women, etc, etc.
To tell them, and mean it, that if they form a base for attacks against the United States they will be subject to genocidal consequences should suffice.
Simple Rules of Engagement with Muslims -
If Infidels are present, Sunni with unite with Shi’a sects to enslave (physical, sex, monetary), convert, and annihilate all Infidels.
If no Infidels present, Sunni will turn against Shi’a until one or the other is enslaved or annihilated.
The rising population of Muslims over 1200 years shows the effectiveness of their tactics.
The war isn’t over, by a long shot ...
So 20 years of war isn’t enough? You want to go for 30? Or 40?
Huh? You mean the tally wackers didnt lay down our arms that we just donated to them? Oh, and no 4473s or NICS either. 😠🐴💩
The war is coming HERE. And soon.
Well spoken.
“Peace with Honor”
**spit**