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To: chuck allen

On the one hand, I am pleased to hear this.

On the other hand, we now have judges telling doctors how they must practice medicine.

In THIS case, I like the direction, but it’s a slippery slope with a whole lot of room for that to go horribly wrong.


6 posted on 08/30/2021 9:15:56 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (China is like the Third Reich. We are Mussolini's Italy. Weaker, a Jr partner good at losing wars.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Not having any way to push back against rule by experts can make the slope even more slippery.


12 posted on 08/30/2021 9:18:56 AM PDT by aynrandfreak (Being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry)
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To: ClearCase_guy
On the other hand, we now have judges telling doctors how they must practice medicine.

In THIS case, I like the direction, but it’s a slippery slope with a whole lot of room for that to go horribly wrong.

He backed up a patient's medical decision. Yeah, there's some risk even in that, but so long as they don't go beyond that, then I think the benefit outweighs the risk. Now when they start overriding physicians AND patients in the same case to be collectivist and/or PC, then it's Katy bar the door.

14 posted on 08/30/2021 9:20:02 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
On the other hand, we now have judges telling doctors how they must practice medicine.

No. Here we have a judge ordering a hospital to follow a doctor's treatment plan for his patient.

15 posted on 08/30/2021 9:20:39 AM PDT by 13foxtrot
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To: ClearCase_guy

Good point, but if the patient requests to try it and will sign off I’m good with it.


16 posted on 08/30/2021 9:20:53 AM PDT by chuck allen
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To: ClearCase_guy
On the one hand, I am pleased to hear this.
On the other hand, we now have judges telling doctors how they must practice medicine.
In THIS case, I like the direction, but it’s a slippery slope with a whole lot of room for that to go horribly wrong.


20 posted on 08/30/2021 9:23:26 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (Proudly posting comments without reading the articles since 2002.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
On the other hand, we now have judges telling doctors how they must practice medicine.

Not at all. He told the f-ing hospital to take a man's wife as the competent authority over her husband's care, rather than Their Highhandednesses. I'm sure they had the option of releasing him instead, if they were getting the vapors from the thought of touching the alarmingly harmless and effective Ivermectin.

23 posted on 08/30/2021 9:24:34 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: ClearCase_guy

I agree with you. It is disturbing that a court is getting involved in patient care.

Although I’m glad she won on behalf of her husband.


24 posted on 08/30/2021 9:25:21 AM PDT by proud American in Canada ("Fear is a reaction; Courage is a decision." Winston Churchill)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We can worry about the slippery slope later, right now we’re being pushed off a cliff by the totalitarian leftists and their vaccine-only totalitarianism.


28 posted on 08/30/2021 9:27:40 AM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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“Right to try” does not equal “duty to provide”.

No one can consent to substandard care or unprofessional conduct. A bad outcome after inpatient ivermectin treatment (probable) would expose the prescriber to enormous liability which cannot be guarded against by consent.


30 posted on 08/30/2021 9:30:16 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The nation cannot be saved until the GOP is destroyed)
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To: ClearCase_guy

it’s a slippery slope with a whole lot of room for that to go horribly wrong.

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Unless the decision is based on patient’s rights and patient autonomy. Then it may be a turning point in hospital and hospitalist tyranny.


32 posted on 08/30/2021 9:30:47 AM PDT by amihow (It is Western Civilization that confers privilege, not whiteness. Ask Carson, MLK, Sowell.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I hear what you’re saying, but we’ve been on that slippery slope for so long we’re about to fall off the cliff. This may be the opposite - a step towards climbing away from the precipice. A small step, and now there is at least some precedent out there for others to cite. I know this ruling is limited in scope and jurisdiction but it is something.


38 posted on 08/30/2021 9:36:21 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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Judge rules in favor of individual fighting FDA mandate.

You’re aware that FReeper, terart, was denied therapeutics because of FDA mandates — you know about her story? She’s dead.

This ruling is far from the canonical slippery slope.


49 posted on 08/30/2021 9:43:58 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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Seems right now we have Washington DC and/or unelected bureaucrats telling docs how to practice medicine.

At least a County Judge is elected...


57 posted on 08/30/2021 9:49:22 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Why are the C-17s full of military-aged Afghani men?)
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Why not? The giverment does.


62 posted on 08/30/2021 9:53:45 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“On the one hand, I am pleased to hear this.

On the other hand, we now have judges telling doctors how they must practice medicine.

In THIS case, I like the direction, but it’s a slippery slope with a whole lot of room for that to go horribly wrong.”

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That’s funny. You side with politicized CDC and FDA telling doctors and hospitals how to practice medicine and treat patients, but when a judge intervenes on behalf of the patient, it’s slippery slope.

Just how much more slippery can this slope get?


69 posted on 08/30/2021 10:03:48 AM PDT by jacknhoo ( Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation. )
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Obviously you can no longer trust all doctors and hospitals anymore. The medical community is taking a big hit on this one. I feel being admitted in to the hospital is a death warrant now.


72 posted on 08/30/2021 10:08:20 AM PDT by cp124 (Focus on treatment and not an experimental vaccine/flu shot.)
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... judges telling doctors how they must practice medicine.

This is not new. Terry Schaivo comes to mind.

76 posted on 08/30/2021 10:16:45 AM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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This is clearly legal - The patient is requesting treatment under the ‘Right to Try’ act.

Shocked this hasn’t happened sooner. And the FDA is flat out lying. They even lied in the approval letter for Pfizer. Claimed 91% efficacy in the letter when by August it was below 70% by their own data.


80 posted on 08/30/2021 10:31:42 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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“ The Aug. 23 decision requires the hospital to allow Dr. Fred Wagshul to administer 30mg of Ivermectin daily for three weeks to Smith.” - article

Seems the judge merely told the hospital to allow the doctor to administer the drug that the doctor wanted to administer, ivermectin.

Perfectly fine ruling, and the judge is not practicing medicine. He is allowing doctors to practice medicine with interference from hospital administrators.


81 posted on 08/30/2021 10:31:57 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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“ The Aug. 23 decision requires the hospital to allow Dr. Fred Wagshul to administer 30mg of Ivermectin daily for three weeks to Smith.” - article

Seems the judge merely told the hospital to allow the doctor to administer the drug that the doctor wanted to administer, ivermectin.

Perfectly fine ruling, and the judge is not practicing medicine. He is allowing doctors to practice medicine with interference from hospital administrators.


82 posted on 08/30/2021 10:31:57 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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