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5G Health risks ignored. "...scientific misconduct".2020 NCBI
US National Library of Medicine ^ | 15JUL2020 | Lennart Hardell and Michael Carlbrrg

Posted on 08/19/2021 8:49:38 AM PDT by TianaHighrider

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To: GingisK

The compromised approval process it talks about calls out distinctly “conflicts of interest”, “Cartels of individuals monopolizing evaluation committees”, and how the information cannot be trusted.

It is irrelevant that you support the 5G technology. It is the corruption of the process and possibilities it could pose problems being ignored that the article is about.

Ps. Just because you like the approval conclusion and process doesn’t mean all the professionals that question it are wrong.


41 posted on 08/19/2021 12:18:36 PM PDT by TianaHighrider (God bless President Trump. Prayers for PDJT and his loyal supporters.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
"You know NOTHING about me"

Actually I knew that you were an electrical engineer based on your statements.

"do NOT appreciably heat tissue."

Which indicates Yes, some level of heating. (Radar; power decreases with the square of the distance., don't poke your fingers in a wave guide. ) I am glad you do test for heating. I have not made a habit of researching 5G and health risks. I have been more concerned about the provider to this point. Maybe I will lhave to look at it more closely.

42 posted on 08/19/2021 12:18:55 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: GingisK

O know a PhD doesn’t make one right. Neither does someone of anything. But when we are seeing example after example of corruption and then we find government publications saying as much, it is wise to take note of it.


43 posted on 08/19/2021 12:21:21 PM PDT by TianaHighrider (God bless President Trump. Prayers for PDJT and his loyal supporters.)
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To: TianaHighrider
This is just bunk. The evaluation entities are always hostile to the equipment manufacturers. That is their job. This radio research occurred years ago, its a "done deal", the energy transfer is expressed by mathematics as applied to physics. There is no corruption in this process because the evaluating entities are just laboratories that make measurements down a checklist. Those entities are not tied to manufacturing companies.

If you want to sell your equipment overseas, you also must have it tested by the safety labs in those countries. Can you actually imagine collusion under those circumstances?

44 posted on 08/19/2021 12:26:25 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: TianaHighrider

Well, keep your 4G phone. When towers no longer support it, get your landline back. Stay out of the sun. Stay at home. Make visitors turn their phones off and deposit them in a metal box before they enter your home. Staple wire mesh along your walls, floors and ceilings. Be sure to solder all of the joints along the edges. Enjoy your fear ride.


45 posted on 08/19/2021 12:31:45 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Fury
If I swallow a 5G phone, will I be harmed if an Incoming is received while the phone is in my stomach?

The call itself would do nothing to you, however your ability to pass the phone through your system without harm is definitely questionable.

46 posted on 08/19/2021 12:35:21 PM PDT by Intar
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To: GingisK

I definitely trust the UL before I trust the FCC. There have been cases where the UL was compromised via bribery, but those were exceedingly rare and the level of compromise was low. Don’t ask me what cases, I’m too lazy to find them right now.


47 posted on 08/19/2021 12:37:50 PM PDT by Intar
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To: Intar

I like the UL better as well. They’ll also help you out, for additional fees.


48 posted on 08/19/2021 12:41:09 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: TianaHighrider
I have one last take on this:

The issue with the scientific community right now is one of political weaponization. Scientists need grants to fund their research or else they are relegated to the classroom. Some scientists love the classroom, but most would rather be in the lab working on their theories. This issue is not an engineering one, but a science one; one party has an agenda to destroy 5G and is willing to fund a research paper to provide "evidence" for their argument (China, china, china...). This is exactly like climate science that relies entirely on government grants to keep climatologists working - without those grants we would likely have no climatologists. The symbiosis here is that the government gets their "evidence" to validate their agenda (get rid of personal liberty because of "OMG, earth will be a ball of liquid hot magma in 10, 8, 2 years from now!!!!!11!!), so the grants are a win-win-lost scenario. The climatologists win by getting their funding, the political class get an excuse to abuse their powers, and the people get the shaft, all on their dime.

I am sure if one looked deeply into this issue, we would see an agenda being pushed rather than any real defense of public health. Oh, and public health and security have been two of the world's most used excuses for government overreach and the setup of dictatorships. Our founding fathers warned against the validity of that excuse.

49 posted on 08/19/2021 12:50:46 PM PDT by Intar
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To: Intar

Thanks! Much appreciated!


50 posted on 08/19/2021 1:01:00 PM PDT by Fury
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To: TianaHighrider

Government can’t change physics. No matter how much they want to.


51 posted on 08/19/2021 1:24:38 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: Intar

Very much agree with a lot of that. Including about the scientific weaponization of scientists. And most in the terrible position of only working for for their paychecks to provide certain results.

Which I feel shows even more evidence on why conflicts of interest in the approval processes, like these so-called vaccines, must be exposed and not be allowed to make determination of policy.


52 posted on 08/19/2021 1:27:01 PM PDT by TianaHighrider (God bless President Trump. Prayers for PDJT and his loyal supporters.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

“34-year wireless engineer: I AGREE. This is just idiotic fear-mongering to a population that is largely IGNORANT of physics and radio frequency effects.”

Yep.


53 posted on 08/19/2021 1:28:27 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: TianaHighrider
I also have one last contribution to this discussion. Suppose a certification board chooses to bypass the process and lets something sneak through. What could they let through?

If they let the tower operate off frequency, then the cell towers wouldn't be able to communicate with phones. That defeats the purpose of the towers. If they let cell phones operate off frequency, then the phones wouldn't be able to connect with towers. Again, how could that serve customers? Given the nature of the electronics, it would never be possible for those transmitters to emit UV and above anyway. This eliminates permissiveness for operating frequency.

Now suppose the errant permission is given for higher power transmitters. Cell towers can already reach all of the phones in their service area. Cell phones can already register and operate with towers that are surprisingly far away. Increasing tower output would merely increase the operating and maintenance expenses of the towers. That is not going to be acceptable to network operators. Increasing power at the phone would noticeably shorten battery life or require the use of larger batteries. That isn't a winning proposition either.

So what variance could they grant? Noise emission is the only possible exceptions they could make. Radio transmitters must emit only on their designated frequencies. It is possible for bad designs to emit energy outside of their designated frequencies. This is classified as "radio frequency interference"; and, it undesirable because it robs the main signal of energy but also interferes with equipment that is assigned to operate at different frequencies. Perhaps you recall the days of broadcast TVs when CB radios would disrupt TV reception. The only thing that could be waived would merely permit the creation of unwanted "out of band" noise. Would somebody want to do that? Sure, because it would cost a redesign to get rid of unwanted emissions.

It wouldn't be possible to waive something that would cause danger to health simply because the power supplies are not designed to deliver any more energy than necessary and equipment has nothing inside that can create UV and above. UV and above isn't radio, it would serve no purpose in the case of cellular phones.

54 posted on 08/19/2021 2:08:23 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Intar

Really gives me warm fuzzies knowing the all powerful government uses only their hand picked compromised Cartels because the outcome justifes the means. Do i really need a sarcasm tag?


55 posted on 08/19/2021 9:26:49 PM PDT by TianaHighrider (God bless President Trump. Prayers for PDJT and his loyal supporters.)
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To: backwoods-engineer; Pete from Shawnee Mission

And YES, I can provide EVIDENCE to you that 5G devices, on bands below 27 GHz, do NOT appreciably heat tissue. Ah, never mind, you wouldn’t understand it anyway.
Also, if you knew ANYTHING about physics, you’d know that electromagnetic radiation below X-ray wavelengths is NOT ionizing radiation.

But I’m wasting keystrokes. You going to fear-monger, no matter what.
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I found the information you have posted to be very interesting, and appreciate you sharing your expertise.

However, as someone who is fairly familiar with many of Pete’s posts, Fear-Monger does not fit. JMHO


56 posted on 08/20/2021 6:21:57 AM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: greeneyes
Thank you Greeneyes!


57 posted on 08/20/2021 7:46:34 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( Yes, it is a calico!)
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