Posted on 08/09/2021 2:04:16 PM PDT by ransomnote
[H/T Farcesensitive]
2/ And he is not going to propose more lockdowns or widespread boosters. They do want to vaccinate teens but they are getting pushback. From an Icelandic reader (as you can see, the articles back him).
What is so stunning about this is that a couple of weeks ago, as cases began to rise, Iceland looked to be going the opposite way and imposing a new wave of restrictions in the hope of bolstering vaccine effectiveness. Clearly they've recognized that strategy is impossible.
Put Iceland on Team Reality. Virus gonna virus.
Those are good points.
The first 3 waves of Covid were bad, but the 4th wave, with most people either vaccinated or naturally immune, really is just the flu. High vaccine places like Iceland and Israel are getting cases, but hardly any deaths or serious complications.
Zero evidence for new lockdowns. If you are scared get vaccinated or stay home. If not live a normal life.
With the vast majority of the most vulnerable age group vaccinated now having a greatly reduced chance of a severe case of COVID, and vaccines readily available to all who wish to take one, it’s time, in fact past time, to simply let the virus do what it’s going to do.
Natural infection is the ONLY way to reach herd immunity...to the extent we can with an ever mutating virus.
We should go back to the proven models of even 60 years ago.
‘Rona parties for kids!
Expose every child in the world to Covid before they turn 7.
As for the rest of us, we’ll either make it or we won’t. Vax or not.
Good for Iceland!
Dr. Atlas was right.
“Huge outbreak? Iceland is seeing about 100 cases per day, and has seen exactly 1 death in all of 2021.”
Alex Berenson spent the last 18 months telling us Covid was just the flu. Here’s a twitter post from Alex Berenson, saying we use a “hyper-aggressive count of Covid deaths” and “the flu is likely less dangerous”
10/6/2020
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1313537375549751296
“@AlexBerenson
The fact is that more people under 18 have died of the flu than #Sarscov2 this year, despite our hyper-aggressive count of #COVID deaths.
@AlexBerenson
Oct 6, 2020
Here’s the actual estimates of #sarscov2 IFR (infection fatality rate, the death rate for all infections) from @cdcgov
. I know, it’s hard to find, it’s on the CDC Website.
0-19 years: 0.00003 (0.003%)
20-49 years: 0.0002 (0.02%)
50-69 years: 0.005 (0.5%)
70+ years: 0.054 (5.4%).
@AlexBerenson
As you can see, the under 50 estimates are almost exactly the same for the flu and the ro (again, we know this includes many WITH rather than FROM ro deaths because of our counting rules). Thus the flu is likely less dangerous.
@AlexBerenson
The reverse is true over 50, and certainly over 60.
1:51 PM · Oct 6, 2020·Twitter Web App”
But now, to make sure he gets enough re-tweets and likes and subscriptions to his substack blog, he has to whip up the opposite theory - now Covid in Iceland is a HUGE PROBLEM!
Short of no China Virus at all, the Delta variant plus the vaccines are likely the best things that could be happening. The Delta variant has less serious conditions, and the vaccine weakens it even more. Yet those who recover get long lasting immunity. This can, indeed, create herd immunity.
True. Covid will have to spread through the population before it burns out.
Huge outbreak? Iceland is seeing about 100 cases per day, and has seen exactly 1 death in all of 2021.
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Total population of Iceland is 356,000.
Pretty much sums it up. Anything that may help they took off the table. Trump himself used something that helped him survive it quickly and safely. That was pulled. The other things that would help you just about needed a lawyer to get because they scared doctors and hospitals away from using it. They acted as though they wanted people to die. Gave extra money if patients was on vents. The whole thing is strange.
What happens when you do not treat the flu? They let folks stew for weeks with a nasty virus without any prescribed treatment until they required hospitalization. Why?
Population 341K, 95% urban, median age 37
As of June 25, 2021, health authorities had invited all residents 16 and older (ca. 280,000 people) to receive their first dose.
As of mid-July, all residents 16 and had been offered one or both doses. As of July 26, 68.58% of Iceland’s population was fully vaccinated and an additional 3.82% was partially vaccinated.
They’re giving up too soon
How’d that work out with smallpox or the plague? Think ebola parties would be a hit? How about the AIDS party we’ve been in for 30 years now?
If you’re relying on natural immunity you’re gambling with very high odds against you.
Are there instances of us reaching herd immunity to a virus without a vaccine?
How on earth did mankind not only survive, but flourish before the 20th century?
they hid, they locked down towns, they fled to uninfected countries, they burned the infected bodies and the houses they were brought out from, etc. and 3/4ths of europeans died. Those that fled were more likely to survive, unless those in the countrysides killed them as infected, that is. Even back then it paid to know someone to flee to.
Plague is a bacteria.
Big difference.
Folks were hobbled by ignorance. Simple cleanliness would have solved the bubonic plague pandemic.
But a good example for your point would be the Polio Virus and Smallpox.
Smallpox would burn very hot, then burn out. Sometimes taking whole villages/clans. And then seemingly disappear. Rudimentary vaccination/inoculation started way back...
“The first clear reference to smallpox inoculation was made by the Chinese author Wan Quan (1499–1582) in his Douzhen xinfa (痘疹心法) published in 1549.[34] Inoculation for smallpox does not appear to have been widespread in China until the reign era of the Longqing Emperor (r. 1567–1572) during the Ming Dynasty.[35] In China, powdered smallpox scabs were blown up the noses of the healthy. The patients would then develop a mild case of the disease and from then on were immune to it. The technique did have a 0.5–2.0% mortality rate, but that was considerably less than the 20–30% mortality rate of the disease itself.”
Polio was never as serious. Fewer than 1% suffered any complications, and fewer still were paralyzed permanently. 70% were asymptomatic.
In both cases we lived with it. And a large number of other viral diseases.
Interesting - thanks for sharing.
“Plague is a bacteria. Big difference.”
same overcome natural immunity, multiply and survive by spreading rule applies to both (not that either can think survival - like an ant bridge over a stream where ants acting as the bridge drown and are replaced by those marching over)
“Folks were hobbled by ignorance. Simple cleanliness would have solved the bubonic plague pandemic.”
has much changed? To quote an obama party justifier, the “sophisticated’ might be cleaner than the average citizen, but a lot of kids and adults in today’s casual everything world take a shower every other day or every three days or when dirty. To this very day, you can’t find soap in a Chinese hospital.
” Sometimes taking whole villages/clans.”
very true. And sometimes entire counties or provinces. That’s why vaccines became important to disease control.
re: polio - I’d disagree we ‘lived with it’. We vaccinated like crazy against it because of the 1% that got serious cases, 30% of adults died and the rest risked a shingles-similar reemergence down the road. Nightly baths, changing from play clothes to dinner clothes and washing hands became in vogue amongst post-war moms.
China: I’m surprised China didn’t have a herbal remedy for pox. Or Egypt. Or Europe. Widespread disease limiting a lifetime to less than 30 years prevented knowledge from spreading. At least we have moved past that hurdle and now in America we can read research from Laos or Iceland and vice versa.
Lost knowledge: Sarracenia purpurea
https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/rediscovered-native-american-remedy-kills-poxvirus/3003420.article
Since we are ceding Afghanistan to the savages, it is unlikely we'll eradicate it there. So, the fight in the future will be to prevent those barbarian counntries from reintroducing the disease to countries where it has been eradicated.
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