Posted on 08/03/2021 1:55:30 PM PDT by ransomnote
A man steals a gun.
In a court of law, the man is proven to have stolen that gun.
The government takes the gun away from the man.
The man has no Constitutional 2A right not to have that gun seized by government because it was found in a court of law that he committed fraud.
Fraud vitiates everything.
A man steals a presidential election...
So you couldn’t find the words, trying for that penumbra “Living Constitution” argument.
We are either “Strict Constructionists - the text says what it says !” Or not !
I addressed your "Living Constitution" argument squarely, with the example.
You ignored it.
Or do you think that the government shouldn't seize a gun from a person after its been proven in a court of law that it was stolen.
A man steals an election...
You are interpreting not citing the text. You are seeing penumbras - “reasoning-by-interpolation”, in the text to back up your argument.
Again does the text back up what you say ? Word for word ?
Just find the word fraud in the text applied to anything! Find the vitiate applied to anything ?
So I didn’t ignore anything !
Then you DO think that it's unconstitutional for government to seize a gun from a person after its been proven in a court of law that the person stole it.
“Gaining the presidency through fraud nullifies a presidency. This principle is simply not only common sense it’s basic contract law.”
“Fraud vitiates everything” also is the focus of a SCOTUS decision in the 1800s. The election should be invalidated and made ineffective — according to SCOTUS.
“Fraud vitiates everything.” That enduring opinion was the crux of the landmark decision handed down by the U.S. Supreme Court in the above referenced case of the United States versus Throckmorton.”
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In that case no.
It’s a property issue not a 2nd Amendment issue. It’s stolen property and by rights should be returned if possible to the owner. The fact that its a gun is just incidental.
So then stealing a gun is not okay with the Constitution but stealing a presidential election is?
I think the key word in your argument is "stolen", which is the same as what was a "stolen" presidential election.
Please read the Constitution !
If the election is proven to be stolen in a court of law.
The Constitution gives the remedy. Impeachment by the House then trial conviction & removal by the Senate.
The rules are there I’m sorry you don’t like them.
Actually, US v Throckmorton weighs against overturning Xiden’s putative victory: “Fraud vitiates every thing, and a judgment equally with a contract; that is, a judgment obtained directly by fraud, and not merely a judgment founded on a fraudulent instrument; for, in general, the court will not go again into the merits of an action for the purpose of detecting and annulling the fraud.” - https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/98/61
I don't think it says what you think it says.
I’m sure you don’t. Have an actual argument to present in support of what you think?
It’s a state crime, property theft. The fact that it’s a gun is immaterial.
This is just so childish.
Music.
Edited clips.
Slow motion video pans.
Just childish.
How about this? Put together a video and paper with no music, no special effects. Just facts. No changed voices, no grayed out or blacked out speakers.
The Constitution says no government confiscation of guns. Period.
So now you're forgetting about the literal words in US Constitution? That is the antithesis of your original argument.
So then how are these gun confiscation laws constitutional?
It's implied. It would be absurd if it wasn't implied. The gun was obtained by theft.
Fraud vitiates everything. Gun theft, presidential election theft, it vitiates everything! There is no Constitutional right to possess a stolen gun and all the rights that go with that gun. AND there is no Constitutional right to posses a stolen office of the presidency and all the rights that go with that office.
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