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Lake Tahoe plane crash: Twin-engine jet accident kills all passengers, FAA says
Fox ^ | 01/27/2021

Posted on 07/27/2021 10:18:46 AM PDT by BenLurkin

It wasn't immediately clear how many people were aboard the Bombardier CL 600. The Federal Aviation Administration said the aircraft crashed at 1:18 p.m. on Monday while the pilot was attempting to land at nearby Truckee-Tahoe Airport.

The owner of the aircraft and the flight plan were not immediately made public, although authorities later said it might have come from either Coeur d’Alene, Idaho or Florida.

The CL 600 is a multi-seat business jet with twin engines mounted on the rear fuselage and a distinctive T-shaped tail. The jet can hold as many as 14 passengers and two crew.

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TOPICS: Travel
KEYWORDS: bombardier; bombardiercl600; cl600; jet; laketahoe; planecrash; truckee; twinengine
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To: Arlis
My brother Scott was the maintenance director for a company called the Washington Corporation in Missoula, Montana that had a fleet of Gulfstream jets back in the 1990's. During his tenure there, he took advantage of accruing any flight time he could as a co-pilot whenever the jets had to be flown to locations for major maintenance in order to become a licensed professional pilot. He even made the December 1992 cover of a trade magazine called "Professional Pilot".

I don't know what his pilot's status was but back around 2000 or 2001 he left the company and struck out on his own to pursue his dream of flying.

The last conversation via letter I had with him was that he interviewed with the flight department of a company in Canada I think that was in need of a co-pilot and when he went for a flight with their chief pilot, apparently that guy was an unsafe yahoo and as a result, Scott turned down the job.

Shortly after that, the pilot of his old employer contacted him in need of a co-pilot to fly the owner of the company to Palm Springs, CA.

Scott accepted and while on layover there he rented a car to do some sight seeing. Unfortunately he was killed driving thru an intersection when a 19 year old Hispanic kid named Cruz Alejandro Martinez, high on drugs and alcohol, ran the red light and smashed into Scott's car..........

Don't mean to get off topic but I needed to say it, there is no question in my mind that Cruz Alejandro Martinez was an illegal alien living in California. I know he spent four years in prison and where he went afterwards, I have no idea tho I've spent countless hours and days trying to locate him.....

41 posted on 07/27/2021 12:23:22 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Without potatoes, life has no meaning......)
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To: Arlis

O/T, but I felt safer driving 110+ mph on German autobahns than here in the US. The rules of the road were strictly enforced, and auto inspections were difficult to pass. Too many lazy, incompetent, unsafe, and inconsiderate drivers on the road today.


42 posted on 07/27/2021 12:24:28 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: old curmudgeon

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2017/august/pilot/jets-vs-turboprops


43 posted on 07/27/2021 12:30:12 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Osage Orange

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2017/august/pilot/jets-vs-turboprops


44 posted on 07/27/2021 12:30:37 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: LibertyOh

My dad used to say that!

One day I replied; “then explain Chuck Yeager”

He got a bit angry.
...everyone likes a little one, but nobody likes a smart one.


45 posted on 07/27/2021 12:30:55 PM PDT by SheepWhisperer (My enemy saw me on my knees, head bowed and thought they had won until I rose up and said Amen!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

That is so sad. May your dear brother rest in peace.


46 posted on 07/27/2021 12:56:13 PM PDT by miserare ( Respect for life--life of all kinds-- is the first principle of civilization.~~A. Schweitzer.)
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To: Beowulf9

thank you

Very informative,
and hard work.

My theory on pilot error landing accidentals, rigidly followed by me.

A landing is destined to br good or bad three miles outside the marker. At the three mile mark all checklists should be complete except for gear down. Fuel tank selection should be set at least 10 minutes earlier.

Approach speed should be exact and stable, approach flaps should be set, power settings appropriate for final approach airspeed stabilized for final approach (mentioned twice for emphasis). Lights down and on, and nothing left but to drop the gear at the outer marker and a very minor fiddling with power for wind shear.

Keeping the speed up and hotdogging it to the marker just to please some approach control that doesn’t care to space aircraft properly will lead to a bad landing.

I believe a lot of bad weather landing accidents are caused by not following the above requirements.


47 posted on 07/27/2021 1:19:21 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Hot Tabasco
"I have no idea tho I've spent countless hours and days trying to locate him....."

Always remember, there is no statue of limitations on a well-deserved SSS event...

48 posted on 07/27/2021 1:26:00 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Probably back in Mexico operating under an entirely different name. In some cultures, naming conventions are rather fluid.


49 posted on 07/27/2021 1:49:29 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: Hot Tabasco

And my condolences. It always seems so random and wasteful.


50 posted on 07/27/2021 1:51:49 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: old curmudgeon

I’m not a pilot but worked on several airports I had designed projects for. One day I was working on extending the safety zone from 700 feet to the required 1,000 feet at the Klamath Falls Airport. The Oregon Air National Guard operated a squadron of F-15s at that base and so we were used to them flying directly overhead of us on take-off and landings.

One day a about 4 of these planes were coming in for landing right above us when one them stalled. I would estimate that he was no more than a couple hundred feet above us when I saw the plane just drop like a rock and I don’t how the pilot got control in that split second other than to punch it but it was a pretty scary sight.

In my experience working on USAF vs USN airfields, the USAF pilots take off and land like their flying commercial jets. Long take offs and long landings. USN pilots do everything within a couple thousand feet even though their runways are 8,000 feet or longer, obviously because their used to carrier operations. But those USAF guys if the runway is 10,000 feet their going to use every inch.


51 posted on 07/27/2021 2:23:48 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: BenLurkin
Circling approach, challenging
...circling near minimums/ visibility(smoke)conditions, more challenging
...circling approach in smoke and rising terrain limiting (perhaps) downwind leg(requiring somewhat of a short approach?).

Not much room for error(over-shoot final?), mechanical/other challenges for high-speed aircraft.

RIP

52 posted on 07/27/2021 4:06:32 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Please Pray For My Brother Ken.)
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To: rarestia

It’s a Bombardier, if you knew what I know about Bombardier you would never consider getting on one.


53 posted on 07/27/2021 4:25:44 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged )
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To: Regulator

Visibility was near minimums at 3.5 miles variable so most likely IMC approach, hot day, high altitude airport, high aspect ratio wing on a high performance jet, difficult approach pattern for a GA aircraft let alone a high perf jet with no slats, high density altitude, bad visual reference and he probably let her stall coming out of the “circle pattern” approach. Many failure points all add up to a devastating tragedy.


54 posted on 07/27/2021 4:35:07 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged )
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To: BenLurkin

I like this guys crash analysis and usually wait for him when I hear of a plane going down... https://youtu.be/VT6Z—HNqlM The Blancolirio channel


56 posted on 07/28/2021 2:42:58 PM PDT by AzNASCARfan
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To: AzNASCARfan

Interesting. Thank you.


57 posted on 07/28/2021 3:55:03 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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