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New molten salt battery for grid-scale storage runs at low temp and cost
www.newatlas.com ^ | July 21, 2021 | Nick Lavars

Posted on 07/21/2021 11:05:06 PM PDT by Jonty30

As renewable forms of power like wind and solar continue to gain prominence, there will be a need for creative solutions when it comes to storing energy from sources that are intermittent by nature. One potential solution is known as a molten salt battery, which offers advantages that lithium batteries do not, but have their share of kinks to iron out, too. Scientists at Sandia National Laboratories have come up with a new design that addresses a number of these shortcomings, and demonstrated a working molten salt battery that can be constructed far more cheaply, while storing more energy, than currently available versions.

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Could this be adapted for the home.

What about replacing hydrocarbons for your car? (Haha)

1 posted on 07/21/2021 11:05:06 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

I don’t mind at all that funds go towards research, even if that research ends up going nowhere. At some point, there will be an Eureka level discovery that Allows America and the world to have a real energy revolution on a scale that allows us to have 500 years of prosperity.


2 posted on 07/21/2021 11:06:37 PM PDT by Jonty30 (My superpower is setting people up for failure, without meaning to. )
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Maybe this combined with solar power could be a ticket. Use the solar power to heat up the salt and then use the salt to keep your home warm.


3 posted on 07/21/2021 11:07:32 PM PDT by Jonty30 (My superpower is setting people up for failure, without meaning to. )
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For those who want a better understanding as to how molten salt works, it isn’t just salt.

https://www.process-heating.com/articles/91918-using-molten-salts-as-a-heat-transfer-fluid-and-thermal-storage-medium


4 posted on 07/21/2021 11:14:56 PM PDT by Jonty30 (My superpower is setting people up for failure, without meaning to. )
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Interesting. Thank you.


5 posted on 07/21/2021 11:32:41 PM PDT by CtBigPat (The time of Crisis is ending. Now comes Normalization.)
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To: Jonty30
Yeah, it isn't just "salt". It's a mixture of sodium nitrate and potassium nitrate—saltpeter.

Sounds like a battery Timothy McVeigh would love.

6 posted on 07/21/2021 11:52:55 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie ("Success is 10 percent inspiration and 90 percent perspiration." — Thomas Edison)
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To: Jonty30
to have a real energy revolution on a scale that allows us to have 500 years of prosperity

We already have enough coal, oil and natural gas. They just don’t want to use it. The will stop anything that makes America great

7 posted on 07/22/2021 3:05:41 AM PDT by FatherofFive (We support Trump. Not the GOP)
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To: FatherofFive

I’m in agreement with you. Hydrocarbons is the most environmentally friendly option of all.


8 posted on 07/22/2021 3:49:58 AM PDT by Jonty30 (My superpower is setting people up for failure, without meaning to. )
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"They say the technology is still five to 10 years away from commercialization, but working in their favor is the safety of the battery, which poses no risk of fire."

Fire? Maybe not. Explosion? Likely!

I remember a demonstration of Sodium back in my 7th grade science class. The sodium was held inside a container filled with kerosene. Why kerosene? Because the Sodium had an explosive reaction when brought in contact with water. The instructor, who happened to have a PhD in real science, not education, demonstrated this by dropping a tiny piece of the sodium into a water bath so we could see this. It was quite impressive.

So, if you want to have large quantities of liquid sodium at temperatures over 600 degrees F (hot enough to ignite paper on contact), and explosive when contacting water, it better be miles away from me.

9 posted on 07/22/2021 4:07:22 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones.)
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“Maybe this combined with solar power could be a ticket. Use the solar power to heat up the salt and then use the salt to keep your home warm.”

One of the big problems with solar is it declines just as energy consumption peaks around 7pm. Molten salt can push power production forward a couple hours to help with this.


10 posted on 07/22/2021 4:15:12 AM PDT by Renfrew
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The major problems with battery storage are 1) scalability and 2) sustainability. How many mega watts you can store is a big factor but not as important as how many megawatt hours you can provide. How big a battery source would you need to maintain power to the grid to prevent a blackout across southern California, say, that might last for hours?


11 posted on 07/22/2021 4:52:37 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard (resist the narrative. .)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
Sounds like a battery Timothy McVeigh would love.

McVeigh was a patsy, the fedgoons blew up their own building.

12 posted on 07/22/2021 6:28:53 AM PDT by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !!!!)
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To: norwaypinesavage

It is not pure sodium, but a sodium salt. You can mix this salt in water and it will dissolve without an explosive reaction.


13 posted on 07/22/2021 6:36:09 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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As long as it doesn’t burn my house down...or my Tesla. Or my Tesla AND my house.

Could be a great boon for off-grid living.


14 posted on 07/22/2021 6:39:52 AM PDT by moovova (Yo GOP....we won't forget.)
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Molten salt heat storage has been in use for decades in cars to provide rapid heating of engine coolant in cold climates. The “battery” is charged while driving and stores enough thermal energy to quickly heat the car the next morning.


15 posted on 07/22/2021 7:32:51 AM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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To: Jonty30

it’s interesting but as they admit not ready yet for prime time, and there is no assurance that the additional hurdles to be overcome will be overcome, in ten years time, or in a real-time cost effective manner.

I am not betting on solar & wind and their need for battery solutions.

I am betting on latest technology small safe and modular nuclear power plants, and they will be dominating the energy scene before fusion is ever reliable.


16 posted on 07/22/2021 9:33:01 AM PDT by Wuli
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Hydrocarbons is the most environmentally friendly option of all.

CO2 is plant food. We need to keep saying this.

17 posted on 07/22/2021 10:13:16 AM PDT by FatherofFive (We support Trump. Not the GOP)
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