Posted on 07/20/2021 8:27:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
You read the same alarming headlines every few months, now with Greek letters. As the virus that causes Covid-19 evolves and mutates, the same concerns pop up about whether the variant evades vaccines, makes people sicker than the old versions, and increases transmissibility. What we know about the Delta variant is reassuring.
One of the most important questions is whether vaccines are still working well. The best way to answer that is to look at the number of vaccinated people getting serious Covid-19 symptoms or being hospitalized. A new study from the U.K. found that vaccines are still incredibly effective at preventing serious illness with the Delta variant circulating. The Pfizer vaccine was 96% effective after two doses at preventing hospitalization, meaning the average unvaccinated person in the study was more than 25 times as likely to be hospitalized with Covid as the average vaccinated one. (This almost certainly understates the protectiveness of the vaccine, as the vaccinated cohort was older and had a higher incidence of pre-existing conditions than the unvaccinated one.)
The Johnson & Johnson vaccine produces strong neutralizing antibodies and cellular responses against the Delta variant, still present eight months after administration.
Studies from Canada and the U.K. show 79% to 87% effectiveness against symptomatic infection with the Delta variant. On July 8 the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration asserted their confidence in the vaccines. They jointly announced that no boosters are necessary at this time.
This is all excellent news, as is the finding that 99% of hospitalizations for Covid-19 are among unvaccinated people. The vaccines are as good as first heralded, even against new variants. That unvaccinated people are still being hospitalized underscores the continuing need to get as many people vaccinated as possible.
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If that is accurate then half the adult cases are coming from 90% of the adult population and half the adult cases are coming from 10% of the adult population...that would indicate the vaccines are extraordinarily effective. Yet, I have seen some people use this as evidence that the vaccinated are supposedly no more protected than the vaccinated, since "half the cases come from the vaccinated." It is extraordinary logic...narrative over facts.
I thought all the new cases were vaccinated people.
AKA-AIDS?
RE: I thought all the new cases were vaccinated people.
Not according to the data. Most of the new cases are still among the unvaccinated, but, many are also among those already vaccinated.
The worst cold I ever had was in my teens, when I coughed all the time and when I sneezed snot came out of nose like an oil gusher.
40% is awful, for a vax!!! It should be zero, or close to it.
I had a doctor in my building come down to my office last night and warn me about the Delta variant. She went from 1 patient to 70 in just 4 days. It is bad news for folks like me that are COVID long haulers.
“when I sneezed snot came out of nose like an oil gusher.”
Thanks for sharing.
I think I will skip dinner tonight.
But seriously, did you actually test positive for COVID, after having been vaccinated, or was it just a cold?
Well I think I’d rather get the disease and acquire natural immunity.
And yet the fear porn says the Delta variant is more transmissable and more “dangerous” (note: they do not assert higher deadliness) than any one before it!
The Delta Variant being more transmissible is true from observation. That it is more deadly is not (yet) supported by the evidence.
RE: Well I think I’d rather get the disease and acquire natural immunity.
If course you realize that you’re hoping that if you get it, you won’t be very sick...
No I didn't get tested. I just treated my malady as a common cold as in the old days, and I drank a lot of orange juice and had chicken soup.
Although, in the back of my mind, the symptoms of the Delta variant are like, as we used to say, a common cold.
I am also fully vaccinated, but came down with bad cold symptoms, especially coughing.
I went to get tested for COVID, but it came back negative. Apparently, there are a lot of colds going around, now that folks are mingling again.
I ended up self-isolating for a week for nothing - but I did get a lot of yard work done.
“The Delta Variant being more transmissible is true from observation. That it is more deadly is not (yet) supported by the evidence.”
The (3) mutations that distinguish Delta from other strains, all seem to enhance transmission and and immune system avoidance. There are no changes that effect how deadly it is.
In societies where lots of vulnerable elderly people are now protected by vaccines, case fatality rates are a lot lower, just because the younger folks who are getting COVID now, are the type who never had high risk of dying from the earlier strains either.
In India however, where the elderly were not vaccine protected, the Delta variant was plenty deadly.
In India however, where the elderly were not vaccine protected, the Delta variant was plenty deadly.
Total deaths per people in India is less than many.
Take a dangerous vaccine or get hay fever? 🤔
RE: Take a dangerous vaccine or get hay fever?
Let’s hope you don’t get the virus. And if you do, let’s hope you belong to the 99.7%, not the 0.3%.
The cases are doubling every two weeks.
“In India however, where the elderly were not vaccine protected, the Delta variant was plenty deadly.”
“Total deaths per people in India is less than many.”
We are talking about case fatality rate - how deadly is the Delta strain if you do catch it, compared to another strain.
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