Posted on 07/17/2021 2:45:40 PM PDT by BeauBo
LOL!! You are a bad mind reader.
“Moreover, several of those reports listed, read and understood carefully, actually point away from a vaccine shot being the problem.”
Others point to the vaccine shot being the problem?
Is that an comment on my observation in post 33?
Thank you for your post
But, but, but, correlation does not equal causation!!
Maybe cases and deaths spun down on their own like they did last year. We’re gonna know pretty soon because they were rising again at this point in time last year.
“ Pfizer also has agreed to pay $1 billion in civil damages and penalties to compensate federal health-care programs *for false claims* submitted as a result of its marketing Bextra and the other four drugs for off-label use or at unapproved dosages.”
“ correlation does not equal causation! Maybe cases and deaths spun down on their own like they did last year”
If that were the only cause, it would equally effect the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. The degree to which they are different, is the degree of protection that the vaccine provides. It is huge.
It is not just that consistent, large statistical effect that proves the vaccines’ effectiveness - it is also the very well understood; specific, observed and measurable direct mechanism of action that can be shown to cause that outcome. That is the well known immune system response. Specific antibodies are produced against the disease, that are observed and measured. T cell and B cell immune responses are observed and measured.
There is no logical leap between hypothesis and outcome, as there is with the many changing theories of how vaccines might cause some postulated mass casualty. Every step in the causative chain of vaccine effect in fighting disease is well known, and objectively and consistently observed.
On the other hand, proposed causative mechanisms for the vaccines to produce the hypothesized mass casualty are thrown out and discarded one after another. Cytokine Storm, genetic alteration, blood clotting, immune system down regulation, etc.,etc.. Theoretical mechanisms of action, that fail to materialize when observed and measured.
That is why these vaccine apocalypse theories all come back to promoting statistical correlations, while rotating through changing causative mechanisms du jour.
Correlation does not prove causation. Demonstrate a causative mechanism.
Pro Tip: If there was one, it would have been discovered long ago.
As Mrsmith has rightly pointed out, even things that only occur once in a hundred thousand times, have been identified and publicized, due to systematic surveillance and and analysis applied to these vaccines.
The system, refined over decades, works.
Demonstrate a causative mechanism. Don’t propose more hypotheticals - demonstrate the actual mechanism.
Oops, forgot to address you on post #87, where I referenced you, or post #78, where I discussed your post from the 16 July thread.
Professional courtesy.
"Graphique très parlant: protection anticorps induits par vaccin est de 2 mois+12 jours. Pic infection secondaire plus fort chez vaccinés, sans doute par l'effet ADE et l'émergence de nouveaux variants. Échec patent de la vaccination dans cette épidémie, Mr Macron" L Montagnier pic.twitter.com/EVZTcSXpfj— jean-claude perez (@JCPEREZCODEX) July 18, 2021
Antibody production when challenged by the disease (secondary infection) is SUPPOSED to be higher among the vaccinated. That is how immune response fights the disease.
It is not ADE, it is a normal heightened immune response - the goal of vaccination. Performing as designed.
He and his wife hold some patents on mRNA vaccine technology;
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-w-malone
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Because he developed that tech back in grad school. Wife also has technical/professional expertise.
Unlike Fauchi & Gates. The GoF crew like Barick & Doshak, have actually done work, but they were trying for a virulent disease, while Malone was working to deliver actual cures via genetic technology.
Yes: I am taking names.
Delta is within 3% of the original Covid genome. Anyone with cellular (ie: natural) immunity will be able to react to it & their immune systems will respond appropriately.
The vaxxed, OTOH, have specific antibodies to COVID-10, which is now gone and is instead mutated. Their long-term T-cell response is lessened as the vax antibodies damage the cellular segment of the immune system. Coronaviruses are famous for their constant mutation. Vaxxed will *need* *boosters* in perpetuity unless they can use preventatives/treatments and detox from the spike.
Hopefully, treatments will be found.
EVERYONE needs to be cautious about *vaccines* in future as the stated goal is to include the COVID-19-specific spike proteins in future flu and shingles shots (and whatever else they can finagle.). Once upon a time, tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis were separate vaccines. Pertussis has supposedly become much milder in the past 70 years. There is no medical reason to combine the shots when one might only need a tetanus booster due to a puncture wound. My cynical guess is the Pharms needed a way to continue making bank off of diphtheria and pertussis.
This entire study relied on the PCR test. It cannot be used to diagnose specific infection. Delta (& I presume other variants) are so close to COVID-19 as to be practically identical.
Symptoms for Delta are described as like hay fever or a slight cold.
I do not see any way the unvaxxed who have recovered from Covid-19 are at high, let alone _higher_, risk of serious illness, regardless of the transmissability of the *variant*.
OTOH, *breakthrough* refers to those vaccinated.
Can you resolve these seeming contradictions?
first reported vaccine causing car accident to be reported on VAERS.
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Your qualifier: ‘reported on VAERS’ is convenient.
There are a lot of self-reports around the world of what are being termed *vaxxidents*, where recently vaxxed individuals lose consciousness &/or the ability to react to driving conditions and then crash or cause others to crash.
I know no more than anyone, except that *something* is affecting those vaccinated in multiple negative ways. Given the financial, political and reputational investment the PTB have in these vaccines, I take their studies under advisement, but I would not personally go out on a limb to tout or defend the Covid-19 injections.
Also, this is a huge, global trial. Without knowing batch numbers and locale, as well as date of injection, the observer has no way of knowing which individuals received which strength of dosage, if any. That could moot all studies to date.
OK, time for another one of these. My positions -
1) bioethics require full risk disclosure and free choice. Neither of these are being met.
2) For high risk populations, the risk/benefit ratio for the USA vaccines seem to make sense.
3) We do not know all the risks yet.— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) July 19, 2021
4) for pediatric and young adult populations, the data do not currently support adequate risk/benefit for USA vaccines. So stop.
5) mandating vaccines is wrong
6) censorship is wrong
7) attacking others credibility as a way to win arguments is the refuge of the stupid— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) July 19, 2021
8) Dr. @GVDBossche is completely correct as a virologist and vaccinologist in everything that I have read of his. Time will prove him right - I am confident in that. But IMO as a physician, the death and disability in the high risk populations still merits vaccination— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) July 19, 2021
9) There is a concerted effort to suppress information and dissent in support of the nobel lie— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) July 19, 2021
10) the noble lie is-
a. we have to reach herd immunity for economic recovery and to minimize death and disability
b. these genetic vaccines are the only path available to herd immunity
c. these genetic vaccines are perfectly safe
Each of these statements are demonstrably false.— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) July 19, 2021
ADE is the bear in the woods, and could change everything. I am referring to current, well supported data. At this point, I still put ADE in the "unproven risk" column, and continue to watch carefully. Aspects of the data are pointing towards this being a true risk.— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) July 19, 2021
"no known comorbidities" is the key concept. As one gets older, most of us no longer meet that criterion. Strictly speaking the line may be at the 65-70yo range. Rigorously answering this requires full actuarial analysis, which has not been disclosed to the public if performed— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) July 19, 2021
no, not at this time. I took moderna x2 and had long lasting side effects. And statements about vaccine "treating" long covid are irresponsible. This hypothesis needs to be prospectively assessed in clinical trials before being treated as fact.— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) July 19, 2021
You and I apparently have very different definitions regarding what the application of reason to a discussion means.
Hopefully we have NOT (the descriptor you conveniently don’t want to address in the example you provided) many more areas of disagreement.
1/Public is being told # covid cases is rising bc ppl r not getting vax. Think abt that. Why is # rising when MORE ppl get vax everyday? Let me explain:
— AMM, MD (@AMcA32449832) July 17, 2021
2/My graph shows as more ppl were getting vax, less ppl were getting sick. But now as we have the most # vaccinated we have ever had, the cases r rising. I see this as due to 3 reasons, all of which are CAUSED by the vaccine:
1. More contagious strains—When there is a mix of… pic.twitter.com/LuHCvkPXkd— AMM, MD (@AMcA32449832) July 17, 2021
3/…vaccinated & unvaccinated, it drives the pathogen to mutate so that the vaccine is less effective against that. Medical community says this is bc ppl r now refusing vax. Incorrect. The pblm started at the beginning of vax campaign, & I said it then. U cannot have successful…— AMM, MD (@AMcA32449832) July 17, 2021
4/…control through vaccine if the vax rollout is too slow. U need to have all vax in place, for everyone, everywhere, then administer as quickly as possible. Instead, there was very limited supply, meaning it was a tiered rollout. Not only that, but many other countries do not…— AMM, MD (@AMcA32449832) July 17, 2021
5/…even have a vax right now. Those mutant strains came abt at a time when all the vax were being administered that we had. But that was way too slow. It took over 6mo until we got2where we have vax but no one to give them to (bc of refusal). 6 months rollout of inadequate…— AMM, MD (@AMcA32449832) July 17, 2021
6/…supply is what drove creation of those strains for which vax is less effective.
2. Vax protection is wearing off, & daily there r more&more breakthrough ifx (ppl who were vaccinated, but now have covid). If your vax is going to be effective for only a matter of months, THAT…— AMM, MD (@AMcA32449832) July 17, 2021
7/…will drive mutations even more, bc strains will develop that can resist a lowered level of immunity until it can adapt to overcome a higher level of that same immunity, rendering the vax ineffective in EVERYONE.
3. We know this vax does not prevent infection; rather, it…— AMM, MD (@AMcA32449832) July 17, 2021
8/…protects against severe disease. Furthermore, after vax, ppl r told they can go around unmasked & resume life like before. That would be fine if the vax PREVENTED INFECTION and spread, but it does not. Look at the recent British naval vessel that had over 100 vaccinated…— AMM, MD (@AMcA32449832) July 17, 2021
9/…sailors test positive for covid during routine testing (asymptomatic). This PROVES there is not only infection amongst those vaccinated, but that they r capable of transmission as well.This means that the vaccinated population is CREATING symptomatic cases in the unvaccinated— AMM, MD (@AMcA32449832) July 17, 2021
The curve by the smiley faces appears to be inversely correlated to lumber prices.
Maybe there is a connection?
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