Posted on 07/17/2021 2:45:40 PM PDT by BeauBo
(President Trump's Operation Warp Speed Update)
(New Cases, Hospitalizations and Death curves are all accelerating upward - Vaccinations slow/steady - 89% of Americans 65 or older have had at least a first dose of vaccine)
Administered: 337,239,448 (13,003,099 J&J)
People Vaccinated, At Least One Dose: 185,765,452
Fully Vaccinated: 160,994,035
(Excerpt) Read more at covid.cdc.gov ...
Yup. The death needle.
Honestly thought a reasoned discussion was at hand. Again, I was wrong…
Take care…
What happens to confidence in public health and USG if ivermectin turns out to be safe and effective for COVID, and the genetic vaccines turn out to have signficant safety issues? This looks like a very plausible scenario from where I sit.— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) June 12, 2021
He and his wife hold some patents on mRNA vaccine technology;
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-w-malone
You are obviously obsessed with this.
Most people are not, and are just going on with their lives.
Covid.
That’s so 2020.
Get a life.
Once again, I say...
you are obviously obsessed with this.
Most people are not, and are just going on with their lives.
Covid.
That’s so 2020.
Get a life.
I give him 100 % of the blame. I *was* the biggest trump supporter you would find. Donated hundreds of dollars over the two campaigns, attended a 50,000 person rally, etc etc. The fake vaccines are the reason that I will never vote for him again.
They are a crime against humanity and he facilitated them.
For years the democrats told us he was crude, unpresidential and reckless.
They were right, he is reckless. Nearly 300 otherwise healthy people per day have died of the vaccine the past two weeks; a 19 year college girl I know of had myocarditis after the second dose, went into heart failure and had to have a heart transplant.
Let all the liberals who love the vaccines vote for him in 2024. I want a refund.
“ The process leaves wide open opportunity for anyone with any motives to create fraudulent reports.
I read that Pfizer falsified records and paid a $2.3 billion fine.
“...I was the biggest trump supporter you would find
the democrats told us he was crude, unpresidential and reckless.
They were right, he is reckless...”
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I have an idea!
Maybe you should just go away now.
Right. After a couple of decades here, I call out Operation Rush Job and I’m the one who needs to go?
Don’t think so Champ.
“As infectious as this new variant is turning out to be, it would seem the US should have herd immunity by the fall.”
I think so too.
Mrsmith posted a link yesterday, about the infectiousness of the Delta variant. It appears that people people with Delta can shed as much as a thousand times more virus, as compared to the original strain. It breeds quicker in the body as well (or as another aspect of the same feature), so infectiousness develops quicker after exposure.
It seems that we already pretty much had herd immunity to the earlier strain. After this extra-infectious variant rips through the remaining unvaccinated, I doubt there will be much running room left in the American population for any other likely variant to do much, if anything.
“WE HAVE NO PROOF VACCINES STOP SERIOUS CASES MORE THAN OVERALL INFECTIONS”
We have plenty - in fact, it is overwhelming.
Look at the percentage of the vaccinated, vs. the percentage of unvaccinated, who are getting these new cases, being hospitalized and dying of COVID.
In Israel, as in the USA and everywhere else, cases, hospitalizations and deaths are dramatically disproportionally among the unvaccinated.
Well, 2/3 of the population being a bunch of damn psychosomatics is a good start.
Moreover, several of those reports listed, read and understood carefully, actually point away from a vaccine shot being the problem.
Eh, which thread was that info. posted in? Your vaccinations thread?
A key question would be, does Delta shed so heavily from asymptomatic (or mildly symptomatic) carriers?
Thanks.
From Yesterday’s thread:
“Good explanation of Delta infectiousness.
https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1415672461111271424“
“... This study attempted to address this in quarantined close contacts of confirmed cases. These people were tested daily by PCR, which allowed the investigators to determine the course of infection: longitudinal viral loads and time from exposure to positivity and symptoms...”
“delta is not more transmissible by the aerosol route than other variants. Primary modes of transmission continue to be a mix of inhaled aerosols and direct contact. “
“-People infected with delta test positive more quickly following exposure, suggesting more rapid viral growth.
-The viral loads (by PCR Ct) are 1000 times higher in delta “
“This suggests that the delta incubation period is reduced compared to the prior viruses. Also, people infected with delta are shedding a s&!t-ton more virus than those from earlier variants.”
“This study suggests that the mechanism behind delta’s increased transmissibility is just that there’s a lot more of it, sooner.”
“Unvaccinated people are most vulnerable.
Partially vaccinated people are slightly less vulnerable but not robustly protected.
Fully vaccinated people are very protected.”
“It also explains breakthrough infections. No vaccine is perfect, and a high enough dose of virus can overcome vaccine-induced defenses enough to cause an infection, though vaccine-induced immunity will limit disease severity in most cases.”
“Nothing is known about whether delta is more pathogenic.”
“More transmissible VOCs (Variants Of Concern) may appear to be more pathogenic based on just infecting more people, who may be uniquely vulnerable.”
That ends the Twitter comments that I extracted.
Here is the original study it discussed: https://virological.org/t/viral-infection-and-transmission-in-a-large-well-traced-outbreak-caused-by-the-delta-sars-cov-2-variant/724
It mentioned three mutations (I thought it was two, and a different Indian variant had the three) - “sublineage, B.1.617.2, with spike protein mutations L452R, T478K and P681R”.
In response to your question about asymptomatic spread, it seems they could not tell, in this study: “critical parameters before the illness onset remain elusive, including when the viruses can be detected in a subject after exposure and how infectious they are.”
“the time interval from the exposure to first PCR positive in the quarantined population” (was about 4 days, instead of 6, which earlier strains showed).
They did mention that generally (prior to Delta) over 50% of transmission occurred in the pre-symptomatic stage of infection.
“A potential higher viral replication rate of the Delta variant is proposed, which leads the viral loads in Delta infections to be ~1000 times higher than the 19A/19B strains infections on the day when the testing turns to be positive. This highlights more infectiousness of Delta variant during the early stage of infection is very likely, and the frequency of the population screening should be optimized for the intervention.”
In the end, they do say that Delta is more infectious (than the original strain) before symptoms appear:
“The more infectiousness of the Delta variant infections in pre-symptomatic phase highlights the need of timely quarantine for the suspicious infection cases or closely contacts before the clinical onset or the PCR screening.”
“ I read that Pfizer falsified records and paid a $2.3 billion fine.”
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Not sure where you read that but Pfizer did get the largest fine in history back in 2009 for ILLEGAL MARKETING, and Promoting a medication for “Off Label” use.
Off label promotion and use of medications have always been going on.
The Feds decided to enforce the law this time.
Now don’t get your Fruit of the Looms all up in a bunch because most people here are Promoting Drugs for off label use to treat Covid.
HDQ, Ivermectin…………
Amazing how Blogs change the facts.
Or not so amazing………
“ Moreover, several of those reports listed, read and understood carefully, actually point away from a vaccine shot being the problem.”
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Bingo!
But people without medical training don’t see it that way.
I have a major award waiting for the first reported vaccine causing car accident to be reported on VAERS.
I’m gonna print and frame that one…………
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