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Our Narrow Understanding of Myocarditis After COVID Vaccines - More Research Needed
MedPage ^ | Jul 3 2021 | Kathryn F. Larson, MD

Posted on 07/06/2021 11:29:27 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

Gaps in Our Knowledge

First, myocarditis remains a heterogenous disease with highly variable presentations and causes. As such, it is challenging to establish a comparison between historical cases of myocarditis and those seen in the current case reports.

Second, the retrospective nature of the current case reports leaves them open to bias and limits the ability to offer an appropriate matched control group. The widespread press coverage of the topic could certainly result in availability bias on behalf of providers, and the lack of a protocolized diagnostic approach to these cases leaves open the possibility of missed alternative diagnoses (particularly infection with non-SARS-CoV-2 viruses, which have been previously implicated in myocarditis).

Third, even if a causal relationship is established between COVID-19 vaccinations and myocarditis, the quantification and communication of risk is a complex task. Again, the question remains, As compared to what? Should we compare the risk of myocarditis associated with vaccination to the rate of myocarditis in those affected with COVID-19? To the risk of myocarditis in age-matched controls? To the risk of myocarditis in those receiving other vaccines?

Moving Toward a Better Understanding

As always, history holds valuable lessons: Other vaccinations have been previously linked to myocarditis...Many cases of myocarditis after smallpox vaccines would have never been uncovered without a prospective trial, as many patients would not have sought medical care for the mild symptoms they experienced. Many vaccine recipients were likely to attribute symptoms of chest discomfort to the typical myalgias expected to occur after vaccination, and many of the symptoms may have responded to over the counter anti-inflammatories. As such, retrospective surveillance studies likely underreport the incidence of myocarditis after smallpox vaccination.

(Excerpt) Read more at medpagetoday.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: covid; covid19; myocarditis; pfizer; vaccines
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1 posted on 07/06/2021 11:29:27 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Obfuscation at its finest.


2 posted on 07/06/2021 11:38:22 AM PDT by LIConFem (Bring a Commie to room temperature for Mommy)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Here’s a simple to understand summary:

Inflammation is Bad. Heart Inflamation is Very Bad.
Inflamation is a symptom of disease and serious inflamation leads to serious disease.


3 posted on 07/06/2021 12:02:00 PM PDT by captain_dave
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To: LIConFem

Kathryn F. Larson, MD says Myocarditis after COVID19 injections is not well understood, so keep getting the shot and report any adverse reactions ... and shut up! /s


4 posted on 07/06/2021 12:26:18 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: captain_dave

So if the vaccines cause 16 cases of myocarditis per million (https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/06/10/covid-vaccine-myocarditis-rates-061021) and COVID-19 causes 23,000 cases of it per million (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2780548), which of those is preferable?

16? Or 23,000?


5 posted on 07/06/2021 12:28:30 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

They keep doing this - they keep saying ‘we can’t be sure what’s going on’ and ‘it’s complicated so we mustn’t assume anything’ so KEEP GETTING THE VACCINE UNTIL WE REACH 70% and will get around to researching this and claiming there’s nothing to see here.
yes, I know this thread doesn’t have the ‘get the vax’ message. I’m referring to the overall message the public is receiving from the combined efforts of these liars.

So 80+% of women vaccinated lose their babies in the first trimester - let us go study it. Don’t stop getting the vax because you can’t claim you have proof until we say so. Just GET THE VAX.


6 posted on 07/06/2021 12:28:51 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Q for Big Med: Whatever happened to “First, do no harm”, eh...?


7 posted on 07/06/2021 12:29:56 PM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

How about we get some accurate stats and then we can have an informed duscussion?


8 posted on 07/06/2021 12:30:53 PM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
One thing I don't see mentioned much is that in the military study that found 22 cases of clinical myocarditis in active duty personnel, 19 of the cases were associated with the 2nd shot. All 3 cases that occurred after the first shot were personnel with previously documented COVID-19 infections. So this "vax induced myocarditis" appears to be an immune response that only happens on second exposure, regardless of whether the first exposure was vax or COVID.

We also know, based on the NCAA Big 10 study published in JAMA Cardiology that COVID-19 causes clinical myocarditis, even in mild cases. And at a much higher rate than vaccination, O.31% in the athletes vs 0.002% in the military, both only including symptomatic clinical myocarditis.

So I would ask if these NCAA athletes might have actually had myocarditis because this was a second exposure to COVID? And will second exposures to COVID in the future (or first exposures to those vaccinated) cause a risk of myocarditis?

9 posted on 07/06/2021 12:34:25 PM PDT by ETCM
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Are you doubting the American Academy of Pediatrics or the Big 10’s program to safeguard their multi-billion dollar sports league through athlete cardiac screening that pre-dates COVID-19?

Who are you suggesting has more reliable information than those two organizations about the people they’re focused on?


10 posted on 07/06/2021 12:54:27 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
Are you doubting the American Academy of Pediatrics or the Big 10’s program to safeguard their multi-billion dollar sports league through athlete cardiac screening that pre-dates COVID-19?

Do you have a video on Rumble to back those up? Didn't think so. /s

11 posted on 07/06/2021 1:04:09 PM PDT by ETCM
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To: ETCM

MedPage is a highly reputable source among the medical community and practicing clinicians. I urge everyone to read the article in full. The above is only an excerpt...


12 posted on 07/06/2021 1:13:04 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: ETCM

If only I had some unhinged ramblings on 8chan. Then it would be taken as gospel.


13 posted on 07/06/2021 1:14:30 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

I think they’re undercounting the vax cases and overcounting and miscounting the supposed virus cases. I believe the vax is far more dangerous than the virus which can easily be ameliorated with ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine + zinc.


14 posted on 07/06/2021 2:26:43 PM PDT by captain_dave
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

My understanding is those that have myocarditis from the vaccine will have their lives shorten.


15 posted on 07/06/2021 2:37:43 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (I need more money. )
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Am I the only one who knows about the Coxsackie B virus that infects about 10,000 people in the U.S.A. annually? Coxsackie B virus usually affects the heart, lungs, pancreas and liver. It causes Bornholm disease, hepatitis, myocarditis and pericarditis. It is spread through fecal contamination. The sexual practices of the gay community come to mind.


16 posted on 07/06/2021 3:36:51 PM PDT by jonrick46 ( Leftnicks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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To: captain_dave

I’m honestly not sure why you believe that, considering all the evidence to the contrary. Before we had any vaccines for COVID-19, excess deaths topped 534,000 in the US. That’s an 18.7% increase year-over-year. Normal yearly increases are 0.3% - 0.7%, so that’s like World War 2 levels of unexpected deaths.

With the vaccines, deaths are back to normal levels. This isn’t about recategorizing something from one cause to another; this is just the total number of people who have died. It went way, way up before the vaccines and back down to normal after. I don’t know how one can conclude that the vaccines are more dangerous than the virus given that information.


17 posted on 07/06/2021 3:41:10 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

18 posted on 07/06/2021 9:32:23 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: jonrick46
The sexual practices of the gay community come to mind.

Don't lead with your chin for cheap shots.

19 posted on 07/06/2021 9:33:57 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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20 posted on 07/06/2021 9:35:36 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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