The experts fact check COVID-19 vaccination information

CDN ^ | 6/24/2021 | Mark Schwendau

[logi_cal869]

"In the event you doubt the veracity of these men, Kirsch offers,

“If you can prove that the NIH and WHO got their treatment guidelines right, you could win $2M”. He points out, thus far, no takers.

[logi_cal869]

Will there be a millionaire FReeper?

Inquiring minds want to know.

/s

[mrsmith]

“The normal stopping condition of 25 to 50 deaths was exceeded in January 2021. “
Per how many vaccinations?

They don’t say. They’re lying.

All of this is a lie.

And a very blatantly stupid one.

[AndyTheBear]

In a normal year do not a significant percentage of Americans take that years flu vaccine?

[AndyTheBear]

looked it up online. In typical years about half of Americans get vaccinated for the flu. So comparable number of vaccines this year for covid19. But this year we already have about 30 times the reported deaths on vaers. Whole vaers is just a rough measure a 30x increase for roughly sMe number of vaccinations does not leave much plausibility as to these new vaccines being as safe as regular flu vaccines.

[mrsmith]

“reported deaths on vaers.”

Citing VAERS is the same as painting “idiot” on your forehead.

Look for a study, something with validity.

[Secret Agent Man]

How about the same prize if you can prove they didn’t get them right?

I’d go for it.

[AndyTheBear]

Got it. What you say is gospel, no study required. Disagreement requires scientific studies to your satisfaction...common sense be dammed. All burdens of proof at maximum level required of those that dare question your bombastic decrees. I am so sorry sir, and will now slink away in shame for relying on f- ing common sense to call out your utter BS.

[mrsmith]

You’re really willing to be that silly in front of everyone on FR?

Not just your friends see your posts here you know.

[semimojo]

COVID-19 vaccines should have stopped in January when their death toll went over 50 as per the normal stopping condition for a national vaccine.

The FDA and CDC investigate every reported death following vaccination. There have been zero deaths in the US attributed to the vaccines by the FDA, CDC, MEs, coroners or other competent medical authorities.

I guess this nonsense is what you get when you rely on serial entrepreneurs for your medical advice.

[AndyTheBear]

Thank you very much for your concern as to how I look. I was so embarased after I made post number 2 where I inferred that it was a lie to say:

"The normal stopping condition of 25 to 50 deaths was exceeded in January 2021."

Without mentioning per how many vaccinations. And without explaining this deduction how I went on to say "All of this is a lie. And a very blatantly stupid one."

And then after that when somebody tried to put some context as to how many vaccines it might have been as a back of the envelope calculation, how I jumped on them and demanded they supply scientific studies or they were an idiot.

I should not have come out swinging like that, I was really being an arrogant a-hole...

Oh wait, that was all you.

[roving]

I think you need to find a better news source. MSNBC is lying to you.

[mrsmith]

LOL!
You can’t defend a one of your nonsensical remarks.

Cracks me up.

Well, “some” people will support you.

[roving]

VAERS is for reporting deaths and side effects. If they reported zero deaths or side effects, you would be wouldn’t be saying Look for a study, something with validity.

[AndyTheBear]

You can’t defend a one of your nonsensical remarks.

Well I suppose there have been times in my life I have made remarks that did not have any sense to them. For example that post 2...what the hell was I thinking...oh wait that was you again.

[AndyTheBear]

VAERS is for reporting deaths and side effects. If they reported zero deaths or side effects, you would be wouldn’t be saying Look for a study, something with validity.

Well but certainly having an average of 150 to 200 year after year after year is no indication that having over 5000 half way into a year would indicate an increase. After all an increase of THIRTY TIMES what is the established norm is not significant scientifically speaking.

[PerConPat]

I haven't seen this article "Nearly all recent COVID deaths in US among unvaccinated(AP)" on FR today. Just wondering if you have. I have no idea as to its validity. AP stuff is usually suspect. I guess the actual causes of death would be the bone of contention in evaluating the claims. But, IMO, it does get one's attention. Is this old news?...Thanks

[Varsity Flight]

GOAL:

* Global Sanitarium ❎

[semimojo]

I think you need to find a better news source. MSNBC is lying to you.

"More than 318 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through June 21, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,479 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines."

[mrsmith]

Well, there’s this in that AP report.

“The CDC itself has not estimated what percentage of hospitalizations and deaths are in fully vaccinated people, citing limitations in the data.
Among them: Only about 45 states report breakthrough infections, and some are more aggressive than others in looking for such cases. So the data probably understates such infections, CDC officials said.”

So, what to think?

[AndyTheBear]

That disclaimer from the CDC website seems to simply be saying that a particular review of the VAERS data did not establish a causal link.

But common sense establishes a causal link since in any normal year vaccine deaths (with almost half the population taking a flu vaccine) are around 150 to 200. This year they are 5479 already.

Occam's Razor certainly screams there is a casual link just from the fantastic difference that just happened to be in the year we started covid-19 vaccines. Unless you think that reports of VAERS are causing the vaccines. Or that people are just feeling a little dead after taking it from a placebo effect and their relatives thinking them actually dead reported them as being dead or other such very implausible hand waving explanation.

But the CDC is certainly able to ignore common sense and do a spin like review, and it seems they have.