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To: ransomnote
Spike protein given to mice at 2,500,000 pg/ml cause clots: https://jhoonline.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13045-020-00954-7

Spike protein in vax recipiients: https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075: 68 pg/mL ±21 pg/m

88 posted on 06/21/2021 3:44:37 PM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: ransomnote

He’s doing a strawman argument.

Do you remember anyone on these threads citing his first link on mice, as evidence for the spike protein causing clots?

Because I don’t.

But somehow that flawed study, is supposed to be necessary and sufficient refutation of the idea that the spike protein really does cause clots.

It’s like doing a study where you tie someone to a battleship anchor and drop them into the Atlantic, to prove that all stories of drowning in a bathtub are impossible exaggerations.

In particular, he doesn’t look for any studies looking for clots in mice following mRNA injection, or following injections of lower quantities of spike protein.

And he ignores all the real live medical reports of clots following the jab in humans.

Incidentally, he didn’t squawk at my earlier suggestion that the Harvard study shows people have 1 billion spike proteins per ml of blood, 24 hours after the jab.


90 posted on 06/21/2021 4:00:22 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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By the way, troll-boi.

Your Harvard study was 24 hours after the jab.

Do we know the pharmacokinetics for first appearance of spike protein in the blood as a function of time?

Is there any proof that peak concentrations occur at 24 hours instead of (say) 18 or 20 hours?


91 posted on 06/21/2021 4:02:36 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: palmer; grey_whiskers
As grey_whiskers said of you, "And he ignores all the real live medical reports of clots following the jab in humans.

Incidentally, he didn’t squawk at my earlier suggestion that the Harvard study shows people have 1 billion spike proteins per ml of blood, 24 hours after the jab."

All you are is deflection. You can't explain why VAERS data is tragic for Covid unlike 30 years of data collection on all other vaccines. It's because they are bioweapons - they don't exactly 'blend in' with other vaccines and there's no way you can just 'explain it away' so you spit up deflection articles, like this bought and paid for link you threw up:

Circulating SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Antigen Detected in the Plasma of mRNA-1273 Vaccine Recipients | Clinical Infectious Diseases | Oxford Academic (oup.com)

Oxford University Press is part of Oxford University and received grant funds from Bill & Melinda Gates foundation "To support the publication of a supplement issue in Clinical Infectious Diseases on the mortality burden of respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) disease in low- and middle-income countries (LMIC)"

Oxford University Press - homepage (oup.com)

Oxford University Press - Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

"All Your Research R Belong To Us" Decades of funding from CDC, NIH, Bill Gates et. al. now allows them to weild their funding power over universities who sit up and beg like dogs when they whistle. You can upchuck deflection articles but you can't refute real world damage and proof that Covid vaccines break the mold as they break the backs of the public's  health around the world.

Unbelievable levels of harm and death, experts weighing in against Fauci/CDC 'narrative and shills like you shrieking we should do as the CDC/Fauci tell us to do. Fauci and the CDC PUSH THE VAX. YOU PUSH THE VAX. Why should we believe anything you people say? Lies about Covid. Lies about masks. Lies about HCQ and Ivermectin. YOU ALL LIE. We don't trust you.

95 posted on 06/21/2021 4:25:28 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: palmer; ransomnote
Hey, troll-boi.

You lied about the first study.

Your clear implication is that they goosed the concentration of spike protein in the injection, in order to be able to lie about "spike protein causes clots" since the concentration they used, isn't found in human vaccinations.

But if you bother to read THE INTRO TO THE F'ING PAPER, in the results section up top, it says:

SARS-CoV-2 and its Spike protein directly enhanced platelet activation such as platelet aggregation, PAC-1 binding, CD62P expression, α granule secretion, dense granule release, platelet spreading, and clot retraction in vitro, and thereby Spike protein enhanced thrombosis formation in wild-type mice transfused with hACE2 transgenic platelets, but this was not observed in animals transfused with wild-type platelets in vivo.

Their first part of the study was in vitro "in glass" and not even living animals.

The second part was in vivo "in living" {creatures}

Notice the live mice had been infused with human ACE2 transgenic platelets.

They then went on to say (in the very next sentence):

"Further, we provided evidence suggesting that the MAPK pathway, downstream of ACE2, mediates the potentiating role of SARS-CoV-2 on platelet activation, and that platelet ACE2 expression decreases following SARS-COV-2 stimulation. SARS-CoV-2 and its Spike protein directly stimulated platelets to facilitate the release of coagulation factors, the secretion of inflammatory factors, and the formation of leukocyte–platelet aggregates. Recombinant human ACE2 protein and anti-Spike monoclonal antibody could inhibit SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein-induced platelet activation."

1) stimulation with coof virus causes platelets to DECREASE the # of ACE2 receptors -- this has been pointed out by others, including scientists who you trolls derided.

2) They kept track of what inflammatory molecules were released by platelets when you mixed them with coof virus and spike protein.

3) They proposed ways to cut down on the platelet activation.

In other words, they were trying to study the mechanisms of clotting, not in order to find out whether there would be clotting.

Another example of a troll parroting "BECAUSE SCIENCE!"™ without any idea what in the living hell they're reading.

141 posted on 06/23/2021 11:26:38 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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