Posted on 06/18/2021 12:47:08 AM PDT by wannabegeek
Not at all. I would encourage you to do your own research at reputable sites if you wish to fully understand the topics at hand. I'm always happy to provide suggested starting points for topics that are unclear, whether it's about how mRNA works, how ribosomes work, how dendritic cells and lymphocytes work, or whatever else. Generally people who understand the underlying biology well will agree with what I have to say (not to say that's universally true, but it typically is). My first suggestion to anyone really looking to get at the truth is to research and understand what's going on under the hood - so to speak. Understanding the base processes (outside the context of COVID or mRNA vaccines) makes it a whole lot easier to understand whether something is likely truth or fiction.
In any event, regardless of whether we agree or not, you seem interested in keeping the discussion civil and I have to say I really appreciate that. Even if we never agree about the vaccines, we can choose to have disagreements cordially.
If that is not the pot calling the kettle black! I post maybe a 20th as much as you do on this subject! Covid is your obsession.
I have very little fear of Covid... most people do not even have symptoms from it. And the survival rate among those who are not elderly or feeble is close to 100%. And Effective treatments are available, and would saved countless lives worldwide if not for the "vaccination" fixation.
And I do not have fear of typical vaccinations. I was a Hazmat team leader for years and have had ten times as many as most people. The problem is that I am knowledgeable enough to know without a doubt that these experimental “vaccinations” were not properly vetted.
VAERS typically gets around 160 reports of death related to vaccinations. This year so far they have received over 5000 reports of deaths related to vaccinations. If it were not for the emergency use authorization... these would have been dropped like a hot potato months ago. Participation rates in VAERS are typically around 10% meaning that it is very likely that times the number of people have actually died from these experimental “vaccines”.
It is very likely that ten times the number of people have actually died from these experimental “vaccines”.
No, you’re not pushing fear of COVID, you’re pushing fear of the vaccines.
The vaccines available in the United States for COVID-19 went through full Phase 1, Phase 2, and Phase 3 clinical trials with over 100,000 trial participants. The clinical trials began over 15 months ago. Trial participants continue to be monitored. There are a few known, rare, significant issues with them including risk of anaphylaxis with Pfizer (1 in 90,000) and Moderna (1 in 400,000), risk of blood clots in women of childbearing age with J&J, and risk of myocarditis among younger males (typically under 30) with Pfizer and Moderna. Those reactions are rare, mostly predictable (particularly for the anaphylactic reactions - mostly happening in those with a history of severe allergies), and usually a quick and easy fix (epinephrine with anaphylaxis and simple rest with myocarditis).
VAERS is something suddenly discovered by people pushing fear about the vaccines and it’s being used by them to push that fear despite the warnings all over the VAERS website and all over HHS and NIH websites specifically stating that the data is being misused. Reports in VAERS are unverified, can be submitted by anyone, and do not necessarily have any causal link to any vaccine.
You mentioned 5,000 reports of death in VAERS. You claim they’re “related to vaccinations”. The VAERS website itself specifically states that:
* It is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event
* Numbers of reports may increase in response to media attention and increased public awareness
* VAERS data cannot be used to determine rates of adverse events
* The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.
(https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html)
(https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html)
Yet here you and other fear-pushers are, making wild claims about the VAERS data. Not only will you claim (in direct contradiction to what the VAERS website, HHS, NIH, and everyone else who operates VAERS says) that every report in VAERS is both valid and causally linked to a vaccine, you will then go on to make wild, unsubstantiated claims that VAERS is only a fraction of the actual deaths. You then make up whatever figures you like. The deaths are 10 times what’s in VAERS! 100 times! 1,000 times! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!
You’re dishonest about the data in VAERS. You’re dishonest about the data not in VAERS. And you use all this dishonesty to push an agenda of fear. This is no better than what the Democrats did with COVID-19. You’re using the same tactics to push the same fear, trying to drive peoples’ behaviors.
It is shameful.
5,165 Deaths Reported Following COVID Vaccines
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaers-data-deaths-reported-following-covid-vaccines/
Your tactic relies voluminous amounts of Bul$hit meant to bury any opposition. You are playing games and trying to keep people misinformed. You are the one who should be ashamed of yourself.
Your rationalizations about why we can brush off the gargantuan spike in VAERS seems shocking to me. My last remaining shred of trust in your judgement on this matterjust dissolved.
I would remind you again that VAERS typically receives approximately 160 reports of deaths each year following vaccinations. This year they have received over 5000 reports of deaths following vaccinations.
I know that you couldn’t give a rat’s a$$ about this because you believe that more than that would have died from Covid in the same time period. But that is called lying with statistics which most of us have had our fill of over the past year and a half.
Quoting directly from the VAERS website and from the HHS Guidelines for Interpreting VAERS Data website is not "misinformation and projection". You are misusing their data to spread fear.
A 32 year old son of a co-worker of mine spent 4 days in the hospital last week after receiving his 2nd Moderna jab a month ago.
His legs went numb and he was described as “walking like an old man” and like he was “walking on egg shells”.
The hospital sent him home because they could not come up with an explanation....they recommended he get B-12 shots.
I don’t think there is much of a change at the moment.
I hope your co-worker’s son recovers and I hope someone is able to diagnose the cause of whatever is going on with him. If it has anything to do with the Moderna vaccine, I hope they’re able to isolate what’s happened so the same issue can be avoided in others.
But this story doesn’t have any causal link to it. To assume otherwise is confirmation bias.
Translate your last paragraph.
In other words, there is nothing in the story you’ve given to show that the vaccine caused this. Maybe it did, but there’s no evidence of that here. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is the logically fallacy that something happening after something else must have been caused by that something else. It isn’t necessarily true. In fact, it hardly ever is.
If I give a glass of water to 1,000 90 year old men and then monitor them all closely for the next month, some of them will die. Did the glass of water kill them? Should we declare that water is a deadly toxin? Or do older people sometimes die from a variety of causes?
Again, I do sincerely hope your co-worker’s son recovers and I hope they figure out what caused the medical problems he’s had. But there’s nothing presented here to suggest the vaccine is the cause. Yes it’s possible it somehow is related, and if it is, I hope that’s found out. But it’s just as likely - if not moreso - that it’s unrelated.
A 24 yr old co-worker here spent several days in the hospital after getting his experimental shot. They told him it was Myocarditis and that the "emergency room was full of young guys" with the same issue. He had to wear a heart monitor after this.
My dermatologist tells me to get it which makes me question her mental aptitude.
Practically ALL docs are BigPharma/hosptial system owned, these days. (Thanks, 0bama*care*)
Follow the $$$$.
Whistling past the graveyard, perhaps.
You apparently don’t realize that every incidence like this does not make the evening news or a mention in the local newspaper.
How about a glass of water to a thousand 32 year old men.
Sure, and when some of them die, do we blame the water? Or do we examine each case and look at what the ACTUAL cause was?
If I give a vaccine to a thousand 32 year old men and then monitor them all closely for the next month, some of them will survive.
Did the vaccine save them?
Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc
Not necessarily! That’s correct!
Now you’re getting it.
What I am getting is the feeling that a large number of people are going to be very surprised by things as they play out.
In omnia paratus.
In the last 6 months VAERS has had over 5000 reports of deaths related to vaccines. The numbers of deaths reported has continued to flow in at a steady rate month after month. It seems likely that this trend will continue. Since 1990 when VAERS was established the yearly number has been hovering right around 160 meaning that the number of deaths after 6 months would normally be around 80.
You do not find a 6150% increase in reported vaccination deaths to be disturbing? I personally do not care a great deal how the VAERS or CDC website say that a massive increase in their numbers should be interpreted. The numbers speak for themselves.
I have no intention of spreading fear. What I want is for people to understand that being injected with an experimental substance has risks. I have personal knowledge and experience that goes far beyond what I am mentioning in this post.
If you are an old person or a feeble person and you feel that you are at risk of being exposed, contracting and dying from Covid and you feel that the risks from the experimental vaccines are minimal then it would be foolish not to take the vaccine. However if you are a person in good health and you are not afraid of contracting a virus with a 99.7% recovery rate which has treatments now available that can lower that risk by approximately another 85% and you are concerned about risk of death and serious injury that are known to be approximately 6150% greater than typical vaccines... then you would probably be foolish to succumb to peer pressure from idiots and take the vaccine.
And it is completely irresponsible to give these experimental vaccines to children who face almost an imperceptible risk from Covid. As far as I am concerned any parent who has been bamboozled into having their kids injected with the experimental vaccines should have their heads examined.
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