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More Pandemic Corruption: The Refusal to Fully Recognize Natural Immunity
NOQ Report ^ | 06/16/2021 | Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn

Posted on 06/16/2021 7:53:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The newest wrinkle on pandemic corruption is how most of the medical and public health establishment refuses to accept natural immunity, obtained through COVID infection, as equivalent to or even better than the artificial immunity obtained from vaccines.

The reason is simple. The more that natural immunity is accepted, the more reason there is to reject getting one of the experimental COVID vaccines. Half the US population from kids to adults likely have natural immunity, even though most never suffered any serious ill effects from being infected.

And there clearly is an ongoing bulldozer over facts run by President Biden all the way through the entire federal and state public health system to coerce Americans to get vaccinated.

Their efforts could fail if most of those with natural immunity acted rationally and decided not to take any of the increasing risks from the experimental vaccines.

No big money can be made from all those with natural immunity. For that bonanza for drug companies to fully materialize natural immunity has to be ignored, dismissed or otherwise discounted and discredited. More bad science.

Think of the refusal to respect natural immunity akin to what the government has done to stop widespread use of cheap generics for early home/outpatient COVID treatment that cures and prevents infection. This early action was key for the success of the wait-for-the-vaccine pandemic strategy.

To understand the full measure of this latest corruption here are recent developments and revelations.

On May 19 the FDA issued guidance that clearly said “If you have not been vaccinated: Be aware that a positive result from an antibody test does not mean you have a specific amount of immunity or protection from SARS-CoV-2 infection.” Antibodies in blood are a basic way to determine immunity. So, the FDA clearly does not want people who have natural immunity to use antibody test results as a replacement for vaccine certification.

If this was allowed, then millions of Americans who rightfully fear many negative health impacts from vaccines would have a way to prove with antibody test results that they do not need vaccination because they already have natural immunity. This could greatly reduce the financial bonanza sought by big drug companies and facilitated by the federal agencies.

The position of FDA is also that antibodies provided by the vaccines are superior to the antibodies developed from being infected by the virus. In other words, vaccines create antibodies and protection that the regular antibodies created by natural immunity do not provide. This is false and bad science.

That government position is contradicted by empirical study data according to the eminent Yale University epidemiologist Dr. Harvey Risch. He explained that serum antibodies and T-cell antibodies – the white blood cells that attack infections – demonstrate past history of infection. And that even though antibodies may be different between people with natural immunity versus those in vaccinated people this difference is irrelevant.

“These natural antibodies are proof of past infection,” said Risch. “Past infection is extremely strong evidence of immunity.”

But FDA does not want to jeopardize the vaccine market by acknowledging an antibody blood test could and should substitute for vaccine certification.

“If this was allowed, then millions of Americans who rightfully fear many negative health impacts from vaccines would have a way to prove with antibody test results that they do not need vaccination because they already have natural immunity.”

A key outspoken proponent for natural immunity is Johns Hopkins physician Marty Makary. In a powerful article, “The Power of Natural Immunity” he informs the public with sound science. Here are some of his key points. “There’s ample scientific evidence that natural immunity is effective and durable, and public-health leaders should pay it heed.”

A huge number of Americans have natural immunity because though “Only around 10% of Americans have had confirmed positive Covid tests, but four to six times as many have likely had the infection.”

Rather than credit vaccination for positive results, Makary makes this key point: “the effect of natural immunity is all around us. The plummeting case numbers in late April and May weren’t the result of vaccination alone, and they came amid a loosening of both restrictions and behavior.”

Here is another key scientific point from Makary. Natural immunity is durable. Researchers from Washington University in St. Louis reported last month that 11 months after a mild infection immune cells were still capable of producing protective antibodies. The authors concluded that prior Covid infection induces a ‘robust’ and ‘long-lived humoral immune response,’ leading some scientists to suggest that natural immunity is probably lifelong. Because infection began months earlier than vaccination, we have more follow-up data on the duration of natural immunity than on vaccinated immunity.” This is one expert the public should listen to, unlike the science babble coming from Fauci.

Here is yet another point Makary made to counter the views of other “experts.” “Some health officials warn of possible variants resistant to natural immunity. But none of the hundreds of variants observed so far have evaded either natural or vaccinated immunity with the three vaccines authorized in the U.S.“

On the key point of whether people with natural immunity should get vaccinated, Makary noted, “My clinical advice to healthy patients with natural immunity is that one shot is sufficient, and maybe not even necessary, although it could increase the long-term durability of immunity.”

However, he cites this new evidence: “Researchers from the Cleveland Clinic published a study this week of 1,359 people previously infected with Covid who were unvaccinated. None of the subjects subsequently became infected, leading the researchers to conclude that ‘individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination.’”

This message will not be found in what big media is telling the public.

Dr. Makary’s bottom line is this sage advice: “It’s time to stop the fear mongering and level with the public about the incredible capabilities of both modern medical research and the human body’s immune system.”

This, too, is what he has said: “natural immunity and vaccinated immunity are equally effective and “probably life-long.” Also, “between the roughly 50% of Americans he thinks are naturally immune and the 41% fully vaccinated so far, the United States has already reached herd immunity – the point at which enough of the population is impervious to COVID-19 that the virus will run out of places to spread and die out.”

Natural immunity is a key reason herd immunity has likely been reached, making all onerous contagion controls as critiqued in Pandemic Blunder no longer justified. And why the endless coercion for COVID vaccination is very far from following the science.

Interestingly, the World Health Organization removed from its website the scientific fact that natural immunity contributes to herd immunity which does not depend solely on artificial immunity from vaccination.

Other new research findings are relevant to the natural immunity discussion.

A recent study from the Cleveland Clinic found that individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection and have natural immunity are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before. The cumulative incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection remained almost zero among three groups — those previously infected who remained unvaccinated (of 2,579, 1,359, or 53%, remained unvaccinated,); those previously infected who were vaccinated; and those previously uninfected who were vaccinated — compared with a steady increase in cumulative incidence among previously uninfected subjects who remained unvaccinated.

One study, published in The Lancet’s journal EClinicalMedicine, examined data from antibodies in 39,086 individuals who tested positive for COVID-19 from March 2020 and January 2021. It found an “encouraging timeline for the development and sustainability of antibodies up to ten months from natural infection.” This latest study adds to a growing body of scientific evidence indicating that natural immunity is long-lasting even without vaccination.

Another study, in Nature, found that COVID-19 infection “induces a robust antigen-specific, long-lived humoral immune response in humans,” with antibodies “remaining detectable at least 11 months after infection.”

Another, published at BioRxiv, found that even without vaccination, antibodies in the infected “remain relatively stable from 6 to 12 months,” while “B cell clones expressing broad and potent antibodies are selectively retained in the repertoire over time and expand dramatically after vaccination.”

Another study from Israel found that natural immunity was slightly more effective against reinfection than the Pfizer vaccine, at 94.8% versus 92.8%.

Dr. Suneel Dhand, a frontline physician, has openly said that after he got COVID he has measured his antibodies for over a year and they remain high.

“There is more data on natural immunity than there is on vaccinated immunity, because natural immunity has been around longer,” said Dr. Makary.

If only the government would share this view and big media would stop being a shill for the drug industry. Those pushing for vaccine passports fear anything that substantiates the benefits of natural immunity. And it is very difficult for people to get blood tests for antibodies, and the expense is not justified as long as the government denies the benefits of natural immunity.

For those who genuinely want to follow the science, the millions of people under the age of 70 who have gained natural immunity and have no serious chance of major bad health impacts from COVID should bet on natural immunity versus taking a chance with vaccines.

Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn, author of Pandemic Blunder, worked on health issues for decades. As a full professor at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, he directed a medical research program between the colleges of engineering and medicine. As a senior official at the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment and the National Governors Association, he directed major studies on health-related subjects; he testified at over 50 US Senate and House hearings and authored hundreds of articles and op-ed articles in major newspapers. He has served as an executive volunteer at a major hospital for more than 10 years. He is a member of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, and America’s Frontline Doctors.



TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: cleveland; covid19; naturalimmunity; pandemic; scamdemic; vaccine

1 posted on 06/16/2021 7:53:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
“between the roughly 50% of Americans he thinks are naturally immune and the 41% fully vaccinated so far, the United States has already reached herd immunity – the point at which enough of the population is impervious to COVID-19 that the virus will run out of places to spread and die out.”

Correct, the science and data show the spread is fading, like Trump predicted: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases

2 posted on 06/16/2021 7:58:40 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: 1Old Pro

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases


3 posted on 06/16/2021 7:59:51 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I live my life as if this virus does not exist. So far so good. The Lord provides. He’ll take me at a time of his choosing.

And I’ve been driving all over the country visiting friends and relatives, utterly maskless at every turn except costco. And now, even costco.

Not interested in being a beta tester for a vaccination for the flu’s weak sister.


4 posted on 06/16/2021 8:03:34 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: SeekAndFind
My husband and I were discussing this issue this morning before he left for work. We both have natural immunity from having had the virus. I have asked 1 nationally renowned Cardiologist, 1 nationally renowned Gastroenterologist, and 1 General Practitioner and all 3 doctors have advised us NOT to get the vaccine. My husband works for a state agency that says anyone who has had the vaccine can go without a mask. He asked his supervisor about his natural immunity being enough to warrant him no longer needing a mask. The supervisor told him he would look into it but he didn't think it would be enough for him to be able to go mask-less. Mind you he works for a state agency in SC- and Gov McMaster has said masks are no longer required in state buildings. However, the commissioner of the agency he works for said she didn't care what he said, in her agency masks would still be required.
5 posted on 06/16/2021 8:04:16 AM PDT by MissEdie (Be the Light in Someone's Darkness.)
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To: SeekAndFind

antibody tests are very inaccurate.

The “experts” in the FED GOV Medical regulators and Fauci’s cabal have told nothing but bald faced lies and ran over the liberties of the entire nation for 18 months.

WHY should anyone listen to them now.

There is more happening in the name of Covd19 that has nothing at all to do with medicine or public safety.

I refuse to take the “Jab” and my wife does too. I’m 73, and they can put their nonsense where it doesn’t shine. Click OFF.


6 posted on 06/16/2021 8:25:31 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: MissEdie

Having had it back around Easter....I will vouch that it was for me a 3-star Flu-like experience...ten days of house-rest, some serious coughing, and a minor temperature. If this is the standard, then it wouldn’t matter to me if I had this every 18 months. After two or three bouts....natural immunity would arrive and I’d just accept it.


7 posted on 06/16/2021 8:25:45 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: SeekAndFind

Remember this kids I will keep repeating it until everybody is Redpilled on this subject

The vaccine industry is pure evil

The “immunization “theory is bunk. Long proven m

I’ve been till recently the vaccine industry has only been waging war on poor little innocent children and Thursday were coerced into forcing to get these experimental injections such as army people and health workers

The vaccine industry has murdered millions and millions of people worldwide and has never given a flying crap about it

During this little stage with her tried to vaccinate the entire world with the experimental toxic concoctions they’ve murdered at least 100,000 people worldwide and permanently debilitated millions more and they’re even starting to have to admit it this point

Now I’m firmly of the opinion that COVID-19 is a hoax and a communist pride and if you look at the actions of governments around the world this is clarified very quickly

If you look at the fact that all the sudden flu influenza a and influenza B pneumonia tuberculosis and all the other respiratory illnesses magically disappeared in 2020 this father Butresses the point

Here are three good websites and I suggest you read all three of them all the way through to get some idea of the long sordid horrific history of the vaccine industry and their pension to just want to make money and use human beings this science experiments without a care in the world whether any of what they’re doing harms people or not!!!

http://vaxtruth.org/

https://vactruth.com/

Long terrible evil history of the criminal cartel known as the vaccine industry

https://phoreveryoung.wordpress.com/2015/05/14/the-worst-cover-up-in-the-history-of-the-world-vaccinations-are-monkey-business/


8 posted on 06/16/2021 9:10:31 AM PDT by Truthoverpower (Arizona !!!! Now the TRUMP TRAIN is getting back on TRACK ! TRUTH! FREEDOM ! LIBERTY! )
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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s the flipside to the argument against the vaccine industry which I approve it right now but it’s completely another way evil and does nothing for you and can only earn or debilitate you

How do you develop immunity toward navigate in your body?

There are a number of different answers but I’m gonna tell you the key one:

colloidal silver

silver ions. kills all viruses in all bacteria and is completely free and cannot be controlled by the government at all

This is well known for millennium in Silverwood widely used in medicineuntil the 1930s

Silver is in 25 to 30,000 patented FDA proved medical devices

Amazingly they lie to your face and say somehow it doesn’t work internally

Well of course it goes and works incredibly well

Take it as a prophylactic you will have a robust addition to your immune system that will prevent you from ever getting sick


9 posted on 06/16/2021 9:16:48 AM PDT by Truthoverpower (Arizona !!!! Now the TRUMP TRAIN is getting back on TRACK ! TRUTH! FREEDOM ! LIBERTY! )
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To: pepsionice

I red decades ago that the immune system is like a muscle in that, without regular “exercise”, it atrophies. Farm kids were exposed to many more “exercises” than city kids and hence were more immune to hay fever or asthma. Don’t know if that is true but it seems to make some sense. At the age of 69 I have never had the flu, never had mumps, did have measles and chicken pox which were common in my childhood. I am a proponent of tried and true vaccines like polio and dpt but I have taken the flu vaccines once when we had a baby who was very vulnerable to respiratory infections. I am willing to trust my own immune system over this hastily-authorized treatment now pushed by government. If I am banned from any business or activity, so be it. I, and the business, will have to live with it.


10 posted on 06/16/2021 9:17:59 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: MissEdie

The current idealogy is as follows.

1. mRNA acquired immunity is better than natural immunity. Since the tests for COVID have some error and a mild case may not give full immunity.
2. For the greater good, you must get a mRNA shot in order to pressure those who are resistant to getting one.
3. All complications from the shot are either fabricated, overblown or should be hidden for the greater good.
4. Non vaxxed people, no matter why, must be pressured into getting the vax for the greater good.

There are things in our society that are just matters of faith. Vax is one of them. I expect a nationwide mandate to get the vax in order to get tax refunds and avoid tax penalties soon.


11 posted on 06/16/2021 9:26:28 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: SeekAndFind

This is an excellent article, supported by facts. Thanks for posting the whole thing.


12 posted on 06/16/2021 9:26:30 AM PDT by yeff (Yuor biran has teh alibtiy to mkae oderr out of caohs)
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To: caseinpoint

I am a farm kid.

Had the flu once (H1N1, not a fan). Food poisoning a handful of times, all self inflicted. Bad allergies, but it was not an excuse to stay indoors and they have faded with age.

When I worked in pharma, we had a food safety class that talked about food poisoning. The lady was a Doc from Mexico, and asked “Who are the farm kids here?” As a group, we had very few memories of food poisoning. Her thesis was that if you grow up around animals you are exposed to EVERYTHING. And the weaker kids die.


13 posted on 06/16/2021 9:29:34 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: SeekAndFind

bfl


14 posted on 06/16/2021 9:35:05 AM PDT by sauropod (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The liars and deceivers have completely infiltrated the government, FDA, CDC, WHO, big pharma and some of the medical community.


15 posted on 06/16/2021 10:49:15 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: caseinpoint

You are right.

The immune system needs to chew on something to work properly.

Too clean an environment and it reverts to allergic responses.

In a study done some years ago, city kids had more allergies than country kids, who had more than farm kids.

Older ones in the family had more than the younger ones.

The kids with the most robust immune systems that worked properly were kids who had a high level of exposure to dirt and germs.


16 posted on 06/16/2021 10:54:23 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith.)
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To: cuban leaf

I have been approached by the VA 5 times in the last 5-6 weeks to get the shot. Once in person, I said no thanks. I then asked the Nurse if the VA would perform or cover someone else to perform an antibodies test. You would have thought I grew a 3rd eye, the bewildered look on her face said it all. I’m sure I had this back in Jan/Feb. No way to prove it. No way I’m taking the shot. I haven’t done the vax dance since before I left the Army in ‘83, not even a flu shot. If it’s my time to go, it’s my time.


17 posted on 06/16/2021 11:22:47 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (When everyone is an expert, no one is.)
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To: BlackbirdSST

If it’s my time to go, it’s my time.


I don’t think they even understand that concept of way of thinking.


18 posted on 06/16/2021 11:44:40 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Test can tell you if you had Covid.

https://www.t-detect.com

This should be as good as a vaccine.

But there’s more. People who definitely had Covid still are expected to get vaccinated. That’s ludicrous.


19 posted on 06/16/2021 12:34:15 PM PDT by ifinnegan ( Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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