Addressing The "Concern" Posted On Free Republic That Deaths Following Covid-19 "Vaccination" And Published To VAERS Are COINCIDENTAL And Not Useful Indicators of Safety

5/24/2021 | vanity

[ransomnote]

I began writing a reply to a post in the forum and decided to make it a standalone thread given both the level of effort expended and the frequency I encounter the issue at hand.

FReeper assertion seen in the forum: There are convincing analyses showing that VAERS is only reporting 1/4 of events (including deaths). That’s still almost 4,000 deaths that should be in VAERS, essentially matching what we see in VAERS. If those assumptions are true, it is entirely coincidental deaths. If you take issue with an assumption please specific.

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51% of events published to VAERS [5/21 data] were reported during December and January.  36 million doses of the Covid 'vaccines' were administered during those 51 days. 

Data analyst Albert Benevenidos (sp) used the ratios of adverse event categories (hospitalizations, deaths, office vists etc.) from those records to estimate number of adverse events reported, but not published, by the CDC during the administration of an additional 230 million doses from February to May.

Using that method, Benvidos estimates there have actually been 12,200 deaths and over 1 million adverse events  reported to the CDC, most of which have not been published. That's close to your 14K.

However, based on a Harvard study which found only about 1% of actual events are ever reported to the CDC, he adjusted that figure. Instead of multiplying by 100 to estimate total numbers of  actual post vaccine deaths, he cut that factor to be extremely conservative, as if half of all Covid deaths are reported to VAERS, an impossibly low ratio.

Assuming 1/2 of all post 'vaccine' deaths were being reported to the CDC , the total adjusted estimate for adverse events following Covid 'vaccination' is 610,000 deaths and 50 million adverse events, according to Benevenidos' analysis.

The CDC is not making much of an effort to monitor safety during the purported Covid 'pandemic' or else it would be vigilant in updating and maintaining VAERS promptly. To clear the air, the CDC can easily refute these numbers by uploading the reports it has received but not published.

Also, there are numerous reports of doctors and patients not able to file reports to the CDC. 

How To Report An Adverse Event To VAERS (CDC Database) ONLINE  Following Covid-19 Vaccination 

On the CDC's  'how to' page for reporting to VAERS, the linked table of 'reportable events' which lists the names of vaccines, does not include Covid. That makes sense, at first, because the Covid 'vaccines' are not actually vaccines. However, it certainly must discourage some from reporting their struggles.

So the numbers of reports the CDC is throttled back by challenges the patients face just to file, as are the CDC's decision to publish only a fraction of the reports it receives to VAERS.

And of course, the Harvard research which found only about 1% of actual vaccine adverse events were ever reported to the CDC was conducted was prior to Covid lockdowns which reduced medical and nursing home staff available to file such reports.

Certainly, there are concerns about reports that at nursing homes are under reporting cause of death a level never seen before.

I've heard that we 'must understand' that the most vulerable were vaccinated first and therefore early reports contained a higher proportion of deaths. I don't know if that's true, because based on the conduct of the CDC since the start of the Plandemic, I'm not willing to assume that the CDC is randomly selecting which records it will upload. They could be selectively withholding death reports based on age or other combinations of demographics and instead publishing less severe adverse events.

Remember that reports from December and January are not updated after the patient leaves the ER or hospital, so if those who were surviving during  their ER visit, hospital stay or other event reported to VAERS, but continued a downward spiral and died afterwards, their deaths are not counted.]

Note that the table below does not include records in which a check mark was missing from a specific field in VAERS, but 'death' or 'autopsy request' was typed in the 'event descripton' for the patient.

Also, of the 80 deaths published to VAERS during this time period but classified as vaccine type 'unknown' about half of the 20 I reviewed had text in the description field which indicated they were Covid 'vaccines'. Therefore, some numbers are still under reported in the table below. 

Note that 270 deaths following Covid vaccines published to VAERS are 'unknown age' and are not shown in the table.

There are many complications with poorly maintained data in VAERS which impedes understanding of the impact vaccines may be having on the public. Again, if the CDC would like to clarify these concerns during what they claim is a national emergency updating and correcting data in VAERS, they have the tax payer funds to do so.

The CDC tracks every vaccination carefully, something they would do even if they weren't preparing to roll out vaccine passport mandates.

I believe the NIH/CDC/FDA have the IT and access/infrastructure to match data from other federal or state databases, like US death certificates, with with vaccine records by Social Security Number, if they wanted to. Hospital software tracks annual deaths by type (accidental death versus illness) so surely there are medical databases which could be matched to vaccination databases  - likely both types of data are sitting in the same system(s) right now. 

Do you think 610,000 deaths following Covid 'vaccinations' is an over estimate? Okay, cut it in half. So the estimate becomes 'only' 305,000 deaths following Covid 'vaccination'. Is everything alright now? 

If you think the CDC is concerned, you'd be wrong. Their only concern is concealing this information from the public.

[grey_whiskers]

Most of the bizarro pro-jabbers did too.

[bagster]

But there are obviously overreports in VAERS, pure coincidence and the reporter says so.

Would it surprise you to find out that its obvious to me as well, and that I agree with that reporter on that point? I bet it would, cause you vaxxers have a misconception of what 'we' think.

Of course not ALL VAERS reports are due to the vax. Ohly a fool would believe that. But you people love to imagine and tell us what fools we are, as you assign to us what you think of as a losing argument.

Here's the thing. The mere NUMBER of reports, corrected for a certain percentage of 'false' reports, is hugely higher than similar reports for all previous vaccines. Ever.

VAERS was set up as an 'early warning' system, to be on guard against dangerous drugs (vax) being foist upon the people.

Now that some are clanging the alarm bell based on it, you people rush to invalidate, excuse, and ignore the very system that is supposed to protect us, as if didn't even exist.

And the lengths you will go to to justify that ignoration (made up word) is startling and ever evolving, as the truth slowly creeps up on you.

Somebody should write a psychology book on this, because its fascinating to watch.

I am arguing in support of valid analysis.

As am I, goodman, as am I. And I think the rest of us 'ignorant and confused' anti-vaxxer, flat earthers are as well.

...but what I think about the vax is much less important than what I think about numbers math and logic.

Funny thing of it is, the entire convo is ABOUT the vax.

You must learn to 'tie it all together' and 'connect the dots'. If you get caught up in the minutia or, in only one detail to the exclusion of all else, you cannot, in fairness think to understand the big picture.

And the big picture is this. EVERYTHING about the rona is a hoax, including the vax.

This is all an elaborate 'conspiracy' being perpetrated on the world, and most importantly, America.

More people are dying from these vax's than have EVER before. It is not safe, it is not effective, and it definitely is not NECESSARY.

So....why do you people defend it so savagely?

[bagster]

I challenge the idiots who abuse every sensible person to take responsibility and do the same.

I hope you're not suggesting that you're a 'sensible' person, Mith. Cause if you are, that would be hilarious.

Oh yea, and.....

What would a Mrs. Mith post be without the word 'idiot' in it?

Why, not a post at all.

[mrsmith]

Yes, I suspect you don’t account for idiocy...

but still I wonder if the idiots are even paying their way here.

[mrsmith]

Cite a comment you consider “bizzaro pro-jabber”.

[bagster]

This is the vid I told ya about.

[bagster]

So then produce a single US Standard Certificate of Death which lists COVID-19 vaccine in Section 32 Part I. Or, produce a single doctor or medical examiner willing to go on record to state that they have had a specific patient die because of a COVID-19 vaccine.

Welp. This comment didn't age well, now did it?

[grey_whiskers]

Cite a comment you consider “bizzaro pro-jabber”.

"Wow, all the bizzaro anti-vaxxers disappeared..."

[zzeeman]

That is exactly what they are: breezy excuses.....

I hope the shekels make them happy....

[grey_whiskers]

Yes, that's a valid point. The fact is that arguing over what is and what isn't in VAERS is like arguing over the amount of sawdust there is in your cheap dog food because you plan on eating some. It's garbage, should just be tossed.

That's cute. You use an argument which shoots your own contention in the foot and then cite it as evidence that the other side ought to give up because you're right.

[mrsmith]

Yeah, it’s very telling that you, nor anyone else, can cite any bizzaro pro-vaxxer comments.

[grey_whiskers]

Yeah, it’s very telling that you, nor anyone else, can cite any bizzaro pro-vaxxer comments.

If I started, I'd be here all night.

And you're a lying troll anyway, so you wouldn't listen.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

Are you back to name-calling already? That was quick.

Here’s the rudely requested citations:

42 U.S. Code § 300aa–25
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-25
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/hcproviders/reportingadverseevents.html

[mrsmith]

When you announce that you’re a fool... you limit your options.

[grey_whiskers]

You posted

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-25

Just read it.

1) the reporting mentioned, was for vaccines in the vaccine injury table

(https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-14).

The coof jabs are conspicuously NOT mentioned.

Unless you can show explicitly that they have been added as per

42 U.S. Code § 300aa–14 (e) (2 AND 3)...

because 42 U.S. Code § 300aa–14 (c) only applies to symptoms.

2) The only things reportable for more than a week are

Encephalopathy or residual seizure disorder (15 days) for Measles, mumps, rubella, or any vaccine containing any of the foregoing as a component; DT; Td; or Tetanus Toxoid.

Paralytic polio (30 days or 6 months, for nonimmunocompromised and immunocompromised respectively.

So the "getting hit by a bus" is RIGHT OUT.

Now looking at https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/hcproviders/reportingadverseevents.html

That says

Serious AEs regardless of causality. Serious AEs per FDA are defined as:

Death

A life-threatening AE

Inpatient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization

A persistent or significant incapacity or substantial disruption of the ability to conduct normal life functions

A congenital anomaly/birth defect

An important medical event that based on appropriate medical judgement may jeopardize the individual and may require medical or surgical intervention to prevent one of the outcomes listed above

Cases of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome

Cases of COVID-19 that result in hospitalization or death

But further down it has a link to a 5-page-long pdf labeled

Any adverse event listed in the VAERS Table of Reportable Events Following Vaccination pdf icon[PDF – 5 pages]external icon that occurs within the specified time period after vaccination

And that pdf doesn't mention the coof.

And the 2nd page just says required but not required by law.

And we know (from YOUR post) the law doesn't cover the COOF jabs yet, as I've already explained.

Nice try.

You gotta learn to actually read your propaganda before you post.

[ransomnote]

For your enjoyment:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/gFq50Z2nrS5n/

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What a great video! Thanks.

[grey_whiskers]

BTW, you still haven’t explained how the rent-a-nurse at CVS knows you got hit by a car two weeks later.

[grey_whiskers]

When you announce that you’re a fool... you limit your options.

That's why I don't do it. You propagandists ought to take your own advice.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

When you say “true vaccines”, I’m not sure what you mean. Do you consider toxoids like the diphtheria and tetanus vaccines to be “true vaccines”? How about a subunit vaccine like the pertussis vaccine? Is that a “true vaccine”? The Hib conjugate vaccine? And heterologous vaccines? Viral vector vaccines?

Your question leads me to think you may believe we suddenly jumped from an inactivated whole pathogen to mRNA. Most people who study vaccines break them up into three generations. The first generation vaccines were primarily attenuated or inactivated pathogens. These had a lot of risks around improper or incomplete attenuation enabling pathogenic reversion to wild type (i.e. you get the disease from the vaccine). Second generation vaccines include conjugate, subunit, and similarly constructed vaccines. These eliminated the risk of incomplete attenuation, but had a number of allergy related issues. Both of these generations required a long time to develop and a long time to produce because they have to be cultured (or grown). Third generation vaccines like the mRNA platform enable faster, safer, more effective targeted antigen delivery to the human immune system.

So yes, of course I make a distinction. But the course of events is far more complicated than many might otherwise realize.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

A) She or he is not a “rent-a-nurse”. Each state has their own requirements, but most states require an actual RN and/or pharmacist on duty supervising the pharmacy techs, regardless of who’s authorized to give vaccines.

B) The nurse giving the shot doesn’t. The emergency room doctors providing your care look up medical records. Failing that, the doctor/medical examiner performing the medical examination following your death will check your medical history to inform a complete picture of what happened leading to your death.