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Addressing The "Concern" Posted On Free Republic That Deaths Following Covid-19 "Vaccination" And Published To VAERS Are COINCIDENTAL And Not Useful Indicators of Safety
5/24/2021 | vanity

Posted on 05/24/2021 2:18:06 PM PDT by ransomnote

I began writing a reply to a post in the forum and decided to make it a standalone thread given both the level of effort expended and the frequency I encounter the issue at hand.

FReeper assertion seen in the forum: There are convincing analyses showing that VAERS is only reporting 1/4 of events (including deaths). That’s still almost 4,000 deaths that should be in VAERS, essentially matching what we see in VAERS. If those assumptions are true, it is entirely coincidental deaths. If you take issue with an assumption please specific.

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51% of events published to VAERS [5/21 data] were reported during December and January.  36 million doses of the Covid 'vaccines' were administered during those 51 days. 

Data analyst Albert Benevenidos (sp) used the ratios of adverse event categories (hospitalizations, deaths, office vists etc.) from those records to estimate number of adverse events reported, but not published, by the CDC during the administration of an additional 230 million doses from February to May.

Using that method, Benvidos estimates there have actually been 12,200 deaths and over 1 million adverse events  reported to the CDC, most of which have not been published. That's close to your 14K.

However, based on a Harvard study which found only about 1% of actual events are ever reported to the CDC, he adjusted that figure. Instead of multiplying by 100 to estimate total numbers of  actual post vaccine deaths, he cut that factor to be extremely conservative, as if half of all Covid deaths are reported to VAERS, an impossibly low ratio.

Assuming 1/2 of all post 'vaccine' deaths were being reported to the CDC , the total adjusted estimate for adverse events following Covid 'vaccination' is 610,000 deaths and 50 million adverse events, according to Benevenidos' analysis.

The CDC is not making much of an effort to monitor safety during the purported Covid 'pandemic' or else it would be vigilant in updating and maintaining VAERS promptly. To clear the air, the CDC can easily refute these numbers by uploading the reports it has received but not published.

Also, there are numerous reports of doctors and patients not able to file reports to the CDC. 

How To Report An Adverse Event To VAERS (CDC Database) ONLINE  Following Covid-19 Vaccination 

On the CDC's  'how to' page for reporting to VAERS, the linked table of 'reportable events' which lists the names of vaccines, does not include Covid. That makes sense, at first, because the Covid 'vaccines' are not actually vaccines. However, it certainly must discourage some from reporting their struggles.

So the numbers of reports the CDC is throttled back by challenges the patients face just to file, as are the CDC's decision to publish only a fraction of the reports it receives to VAERS.

And of course, the Harvard research which found only about 1% of actual vaccine adverse events were ever reported to the CDC was conducted was prior to Covid lockdowns which reduced medical and nursing home staff available to file such reports.

Certainly, there are concerns about reports that at nursing homes are under reporting cause of death a level never seen before.

I've heard that we 'must understand' that the most vulerable were vaccinated first and therefore early reports contained a higher proportion of deaths. I don't know if that's true, because based on the conduct of the CDC since the start of the Plandemic, I'm not willing to assume that the CDC is randomly selecting which records it will upload. They could be selectively withholding death reports based on age or other combinations of demographics and instead publishing less severe adverse events.

Remember that reports from December and January are not updated after the patient leaves the ER or hospital, so if those who were surviving during  their ER visit, hospital stay or other event reported to VAERS, but continued a downward spiral and died afterwards, their deaths are not counted.]

Note that the table below does not include records in which a check mark was missing from a specific field in VAERS, but 'death' or 'autopsy request' was typed in the 'event descripton' for the patient.

Also, of the 80 deaths published to VAERS during this time period but classified as vaccine type 'unknown' about half of the 20 I reviewed had text in the description field which indicated they were Covid 'vaccines'. Therefore, some numbers are still under reported in the table below. 



Note that 270 deaths following Covid vaccines published to VAERS are 'unknown age' and are not shown in the table.

There are many complications with poorly maintained data in VAERS which impedes understanding of the impact vaccines may be having on the public. Again, if the CDC would like to clarify these concerns during what they claim is a national emergency updating and correcting data in VAERS, they have the tax payer funds to do so.

The CDC tracks every vaccination carefully, something they would do even if they weren't preparing to roll out vaccine passport mandates.

I believe the NIH/CDC/FDA have the IT and access/infrastructure to match data from other federal or state databases, like US death certificates, with with vaccine records by Social Security Number, if they wanted to. Hospital software tracks annual deaths by type (accidental death versus illness) so surely there are medical databases which could be matched to vaccination databases  - likely both types of data are sitting in the same system(s) right now. 

Do you think 610,000 deaths following Covid 'vaccinations' is an over estimate? Okay, cut it in half. So the estimate becomes 'only' 305,000 deaths following Covid 'vaccination'. Is everything alright now? 

If you think the CDC is concerned, you'd be wrong. Their only concern is concealing this information from the public.


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To: mrsmith

Most are “Dollar-A-Day” members.($365 yr).


201 posted on 05/24/2021 8:07:11 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: blueplum
That's already been answered in a number of places.

The British Medical journal had a study in mice that mRNA was found in tissues throughout the body within 24 hours.

I think it was the Salk Institute that found similar for humans.

And a day or so ago Harvard had a study that there were detectable spike proteins in the blood of those who got jabbed, 24 hours past the infection.

But remember the pro-jab propagandists assured us that we were only flat earthers and there was no way the shot could go anywhere but the injection site.

202 posted on 05/24/2021 8:10:38 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: musicman

“Glad to oblige Jim. There were times I couldn’t.
I don’t expect any of the liars to contribute...
No challenge can get through to them...
Well, there’s my hundred bucks.
I assume the liars won’t send anything EXTRA for their abuse of this forum.
Let me know if I’m wrong.”

So my mere $20/mo is more than they pay for this forum to post their lies and idiocy?


203 posted on 05/24/2021 8:11:38 PM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
Further, the main issue is that healthcare providers are required by law to report all series adverse events to VAERS after COVID-19 vaccines regardless of causality.

Ransomnote called you a liar, verbatim, for saying this claim upthread.

Cite the law. Give a link.

(How does the rent-a-nurse at CVS pharmacy know you got hit by a car two weeks later anyway?)

Troll.

204 posted on 05/24/2021 8:13:01 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: daniel1212

Yeah, I posted that weeks ago, but none of the trolls responded.

All they ever do is try to goad me into replying personally so they can get me banned.

Even though I keep posting links from the peer-reviewed literature and discussions by other MDs/PhDs.

All they do is continue to cut and paste nonsense and then pretend that the nonsense is representative of the other Freepers on the thread.


205 posted on 05/24/2021 8:15:45 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: phoneman08

Nope. There’s an elementary mathematical mistake you’re making.
I’ll bet you don’t even have the math skills to know what it is.


206 posted on 05/24/2021 8:16:51 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: phoneman08

LOL! HCQ / Zinc and Ivermectin work fine, as long as you don’t wait (like the “trials” of them did) until the patient is already in the ICU before giving them.

This is even easier than shooting fish in a barrel.


207 posted on 05/24/2021 8:19:44 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Silent One

BTTT.


208 posted on 05/24/2021 8:20:15 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Do you make a distinction between an mRNA vaccine and the true vaccines we’ve used for many decades?


209 posted on 05/24/2021 8:24:27 PM PDT by HandyDandy
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To: mrsmith

You pay $20.00 per month.

There are 12 months in a year.

12x20 = $240 per year for you.

They are paying AT LEAST $1.00 per Day.

365 days in a year.

That’s $365 per year.

They are paying AT LEAST $125 MORE that you per year.

Now...let’s get to YOUR posse’s “monetary contributions”....

Some of your posse hasn’t even been here 3 months.....

I (along with you) have been here 23 years.

I have posted over AT LEAST 5k (and I’ll bet it’s closer to 10k) posts to help Jim out with the Freepathons. It’s a lot of hours and work, but when I have time, I try to pitch in.

Thanks again for your help with the Freepathons.


210 posted on 05/24/2021 8:24:45 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: phoneman08
No. And I’m unconcerned about alien abductions too

That would be a great straight line for someone to mention "rectocranial inversion" but it's too obvious, so I'll refrain.

211 posted on 05/24/2021 8:25:20 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: bagster

Ah huh! A Kinks fan!


212 posted on 05/24/2021 8:29:29 PM PDT by HandyDandy
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To: phoneman08

Forcing everyone else to suffer needless experimental injections, won’t bring your friends back.

Look here’s what a HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL FACULTY MEMBER, advising the CDC, said about relative risks:

Among COVID-19 exposed individuals, people in their 70s have roughly twice the mortality of those in their 60s, 10 times the mortality of those in their 50s, 40 times that of those in their 40s, 100 times that of those in their 30s, 300 times that of those in their 20s, and a mortality that is more than 3000 times higher than for children. Since COVID-19 operates in a highly age specific manner, mandated counter measures must also be age specific. If not, lives will be unnecessarily lost.

Remember, even among people over 70, the death rate is 5% — and that’s with comorbidities.

So for children, the death rate is 1/3000 of 5% or 1/600 of 1 %.

There’s no reason to give children the jab.

And with HCQ/Zinc and Ivermectin — btw, did you know the discoverers of Ivermectin got the Nobel Prize for it? —
and the fact deaths from Covid had the hell exaggerated out of them for all of 2020 — there is NO emergency behind the “Emergency Use Authorization” and there are alternative treatments, too.


213 posted on 05/24/2021 8:31:23 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: HandyDandy
A Kinks fan!

Big time.

😁

(I love when somebody gets the jokes I tell to myself)


214 posted on 05/24/2021 8:32:11 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: musicman

“let’s get to YOUR posse’s (posse indicating ignorance and bias) “monetary contributions”....”
But then you don’t.

Yeah, I appreciate your work. Thank you much for the help you give Jim!

Okay, I should up to 30/mo. Will consider it.
But, considering your POV I suspect that “most” is a ‘generous’ description of the bizarre anti-vaxxers’ donations.

I see none have responded to my challenge. Surely you do too.


215 posted on 05/24/2021 8:35:08 PM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: ransomnote
An exclusive interview with Dr Roger Hodkinson – “When the history of this madness is written, reputations will be slaughtered and there will be blood in the gutter “
216 posted on 05/24/2021 8:35:33 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: gas_dr
In these cases, there is no doubt that morality was cause by the accident.

Like people who have a heart attack at the wheel?

Or the Uber driver killed by two female yutes carjacking him a couple weeks ago?

Even your attempted sophistry falls short.

The other reason your analogy fails BIGLY is that cars enable many good things; AND that many of the deaths in cars are due explicitly to the fault of the driver (speeding, trying to beat a train to the crossing, drunk driving, falling asleep at the wheel when on a long trip).

BY contrast, there are safe and largely effective (~5/6 of the cases) treatments for the coof short of the jabs; and the jabs don't have any other purpose for the recipient; and the side effects of the jab are often totally independent of the recipient doing anything "wrong".

217 posted on 05/24/2021 8:36:49 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: gas_dr

*Snerk*.

The problem is, you are demanding to be treated like Reggie Jackson, when all you’ve shown us is his four full seasons worth of strikeouts, and none of the home runs.

Cause right now you haven’t even hit .203 to reach the Mendoza Line.


218 posted on 05/24/2021 8:40:05 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: palmer
That's the only way we can extrapolate actual numbers from VAERS numbers

So you agree that the VAERS reports are under reported (dog ate homework, time, blah blah blah).

That would seem to indicate that the vax is much worse than anybody is willing to admit, at least any government or'medical' body. And def not no damn slimy politician. OR the derp media.

I do appreciate your concession on that point. The vaxxer jihadis here on FR are loath to admit ANYTHING that would tarnish the good name of this Chinese poison.

They act as if the vax is their best hound dog, and they ain't gonna have nobody back sassing it.

(I hope you don't think your 'under-reporting' theory does anything BUT diminish the vaxxer jihadist talking points.

Cause if you did, that would be odd. You are arguing in support of my position.


219 posted on 05/24/2021 8:41:31 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: palmer
There are 3,000 reports of mild headache or slight headache which is what I had (plus fever) and was not about to report it. It would be a waste of my time to report it and I'm sure many people feel the same way.

Did you happen to notice that the MDs who are most concerned about side effects (abnormal clotting, abnormal periods, cardiomyopathy, and on up to death) aren't basing their arguments on the number of missing headaches?

220 posted on 05/24/2021 8:42:22 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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