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Addressing The "Concern" Posted On Free Republic That Deaths Following Covid-19 "Vaccination" And Published To VAERS Are COINCIDENTAL And Not Useful Indicators of Safety
5/24/2021 | vanity

Posted on 05/24/2021 2:18:06 PM PDT by ransomnote

I began writing a reply to a post in the forum and decided to make it a standalone thread given both the level of effort expended and the frequency I encounter the issue at hand.

FReeper assertion seen in the forum: There are convincing analyses showing that VAERS is only reporting 1/4 of events (including deaths). That’s still almost 4,000 deaths that should be in VAERS, essentially matching what we see in VAERS. If those assumptions are true, it is entirely coincidental deaths. If you take issue with an assumption please specific.

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51% of events published to VAERS [5/21 data] were reported during December and January.  36 million doses of the Covid 'vaccines' were administered during those 51 days. 

Data analyst Albert Benevenidos (sp) used the ratios of adverse event categories (hospitalizations, deaths, office vists etc.) from those records to estimate number of adverse events reported, but not published, by the CDC during the administration of an additional 230 million doses from February to May.

Using that method, Benvidos estimates there have actually been 12,200 deaths and over 1 million adverse events  reported to the CDC, most of which have not been published. That's close to your 14K.

However, based on a Harvard study which found only about 1% of actual events are ever reported to the CDC, he adjusted that figure. Instead of multiplying by 100 to estimate total numbers of  actual post vaccine deaths, he cut that factor to be extremely conservative, as if half of all Covid deaths are reported to VAERS, an impossibly low ratio.

Assuming 1/2 of all post 'vaccine' deaths were being reported to the CDC , the total adjusted estimate for adverse events following Covid 'vaccination' is 610,000 deaths and 50 million adverse events, according to Benevenidos' analysis.

The CDC is not making much of an effort to monitor safety during the purported Covid 'pandemic' or else it would be vigilant in updating and maintaining VAERS promptly. To clear the air, the CDC can easily refute these numbers by uploading the reports it has received but not published.

Also, there are numerous reports of doctors and patients not able to file reports to the CDC. 

How To Report An Adverse Event To VAERS (CDC Database) ONLINE  Following Covid-19 Vaccination 

On the CDC's  'how to' page for reporting to VAERS, the linked table of 'reportable events' which lists the names of vaccines, does not include Covid. That makes sense, at first, because the Covid 'vaccines' are not actually vaccines. However, it certainly must discourage some from reporting their struggles.

So the numbers of reports the CDC is throttled back by challenges the patients face just to file, as are the CDC's decision to publish only a fraction of the reports it receives to VAERS.

And of course, the Harvard research which found only about 1% of actual vaccine adverse events were ever reported to the CDC was conducted was prior to Covid lockdowns which reduced medical and nursing home staff available to file such reports.

Certainly, there are concerns about reports that at nursing homes are under reporting cause of death a level never seen before.

I've heard that we 'must understand' that the most vulerable were vaccinated first and therefore early reports contained a higher proportion of deaths. I don't know if that's true, because based on the conduct of the CDC since the start of the Plandemic, I'm not willing to assume that the CDC is randomly selecting which records it will upload. They could be selectively withholding death reports based on age or other combinations of demographics and instead publishing less severe adverse events.

Remember that reports from December and January are not updated after the patient leaves the ER or hospital, so if those who were surviving during  their ER visit, hospital stay or other event reported to VAERS, but continued a downward spiral and died afterwards, their deaths are not counted.]

Note that the table below does not include records in which a check mark was missing from a specific field in VAERS, but 'death' or 'autopsy request' was typed in the 'event descripton' for the patient.

Also, of the 80 deaths published to VAERS during this time period but classified as vaccine type 'unknown' about half of the 20 I reviewed had text in the description field which indicated they were Covid 'vaccines'. Therefore, some numbers are still under reported in the table below. 



Note that 270 deaths following Covid vaccines published to VAERS are 'unknown age' and are not shown in the table.

There are many complications with poorly maintained data in VAERS which impedes understanding of the impact vaccines may be having on the public. Again, if the CDC would like to clarify these concerns during what they claim is a national emergency updating and correcting data in VAERS, they have the tax payer funds to do so.

The CDC tracks every vaccination carefully, something they would do even if they weren't preparing to roll out vaccine passport mandates.

I believe the NIH/CDC/FDA have the IT and access/infrastructure to match data from other federal or state databases, like US death certificates, with with vaccine records by Social Security Number, if they wanted to. Hospital software tracks annual deaths by type (accidental death versus illness) so surely there are medical databases which could be matched to vaccination databases  - likely both types of data are sitting in the same system(s) right now. 

Do you think 610,000 deaths following Covid 'vaccinations' is an over estimate? Okay, cut it in half. So the estimate becomes 'only' 305,000 deaths following Covid 'vaccination'. Is everything alright now? 

If you think the CDC is concerned, you'd be wrong. Their only concern is concealing this information from the public.


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To: heavy metal

And, remember it was FRAUDci and company who did NOT want to stop international flights....even from ChiNah, after the Wuhan flu was released.

FRAUDci and XiDen....two spikes in a fake ‘vax’.


161 posted on 05/24/2021 6:22:37 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: Vermont Lt

So even if we stipulate to the numbers 3250 or 4000, we are speaking of 20 deaths per day (even though these come from a passive self reported database with no discernible confirmation or causation therefore causing the numbers to be likely way overstates). By contrast there are approximately 110 deaths per day related to car accidents. In these cases, there is no doubt that morality was cause by the accident.

So you are 5x more likely to die in a car crash than with these vaccines if we use their grossly overinflated numbers. I wonder when the vociferous Alinskyites will be intellectually honest, and STOP driving cars....


162 posted on 05/24/2021 6:23:03 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: bagster
When you debate 2aProtectsTheRest, you are indirectly debating Fauci, CDC, WHO, NIH, and Big Pharma.

You left out the CCP. :-)

163 posted on 05/24/2021 6:27:34 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: ransomnote

As I’ve said many times, it couldn’t happen here is happening here.


164 posted on 05/24/2021 6:28:08 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Kill a Commie for your Mommy.)
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To: bagster; ransomnote; All
"All the trolls have breezy excuses
for why all data must be contorted
to fit 'the narrative'...."


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165 posted on 05/24/2021 6:30:19 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: Jane Long

and pelosi telling everyone don’t believe the fear and go out and enjoy china town in her district...

the same thing happened in new york if i recall correctly...


166 posted on 05/24/2021 6:31:31 PM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: heavy metal

Yes, it did happen in NYC, as well.

These were our first *public* clues.


167 posted on 05/24/2021 6:34:19 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: bagster

Bagster you are incorrect.
I simply choose not to be abused. There has been no constructive statements or argument from him just after hominem attacks.

Surrender. No. Demanding not being abused. Yes.


168 posted on 05/24/2021 6:37:45 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: gas_dr

Heck, you shouldn’t bother with these few permanent trolls.
They’re having no effect on anyone any more.
Just say what you have to say for the benefit of FR and leave them alone.

Lots of Freepers won’t get vaccinated because “I don’t trust them.”
And they’re right not to!
These ones that are so weak-minded that they have to make up other reasons are recognized for what they are.


169 posted on 05/24/2021 6:46:11 PM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: ransomnote; bagster
Neither of you seem to understand that if people lose their sheet, they won't report into VAERS. That means VAERS will be an undercount, which is what you, ransomnote, are trying to estimate.

The amount of undercounting will be related to people keeping their sheet, actually reading the sheet, figuring out if they have something to report, then completing the report without giving up because the website is too difficult. Or calling the hotline and getting put on hold (I have no idea how they staff the hotline).

Then the next contributor to underreporting is how much data is deleted by the CDC instead of being put into the public report that we download. There's no question there's a backlog those curves in the ransonnote vanity a few weeks ago show the gap. They also delete what they believe to be spurious reports (e.g. the incredible hulk report). How many reports are deleted and what do they contain (besides incredible hulk which we know was deleted).

I don't think the Harvard study, the 1% reporting that comes from here: https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf is very applicable to the COVID vaccines. I think there's a lot more awareness with this vaccine and people report more events. Also there are a lot of headaches and fever being reported. But probably less than 1% of the actual headaches and fever.

There are 3,000 reports of mild headache or slight headache which is what I had (plus fever) and was not about to report it. It would be a waste of my time to report it and I'm sure many people feel the same way.

170 posted on 05/24/2021 6:50:09 PM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: bagster

Remember when the FRVPs repeated, early on when justifying these shots....if just one person dies of china flu......

Now, we have thousands dying from the dang vax....and, they’re comparing these deaths to auto accident deaths.....peanut butter and shellfish allergy deaths??

Unreal the heartlessness to justify these shots/$$$/????


171 posted on 05/24/2021 6:51:31 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: ransomnote

Dang!
There you go, confusing the issue with facts...


172 posted on 05/24/2021 6:51:46 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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To: musicman

👍🏼

Precisely.

173 posted on 05/24/2021 6:52:41 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: mrsmith

Point well taken. Its just hard to let such egregiously incorrect information go unanswered.


174 posted on 05/24/2021 6:56:57 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: gas_dr

“medical professionals” are supposed to remain nuetral and listen to people’s concerns about any and all medications...

while you’ve proven yourself biased with your refusal to listen you’ve also proven yourself to not be a “medical professional”...

bless your heart...


175 posted on 05/24/2021 6:58:06 PM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: heavy metal
it’s probably a couple of people working behind that user name...

We've seen it here before.

176 posted on 05/24/2021 7:06:58 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: bagster; dynoman; ransomnote

Oh quite the opposite: the talking point that’s busted is ransomnote’s: “Do you know what the deep state would DO to that person, AFTER they stripped them of their credentials and employment?”

Well apparently not. Apparently you CAN actually list COVID-19 vaccine as a cause of death or contributing to death. But out of 287 million shots given to 164 million Americans, this is about the only one where it contributed to a person’s death.

I don’t know about you, but I’m thankful for President Trump’s safe and effective vaccines. And by the way, 600,000 vaccine deaths would have skyrocketing excess mortality figures. That would be a 50% jump in overall deaths. There is no data to suggest that’s happening. Deaths are at normal levels currently. Something else we can all be thankful for.


177 posted on 05/24/2021 7:15:58 PM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: ransomnote

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/05/23/stephanie-seneff-covid-vaccine.aspx?ui=0f715f377074d6bef3a0ee10eb4de72c7f92ba8e0738d982fa81f00fd082ab8c&sd=20200410&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20210523_HL2&mid=DM891901&rid=1164990125

Everyone should watch this. Hands down the best run down on the covid vaccines to date. Stephanie Seneff, four advanced degrees from MIT, 50 years with MIT and is their senior research scientist in micro biology.

She does an excellent job walking us through what was done to the mRNA then steps us through where the mRNA goes, what it does, what it interacts with, and what all these things do and can do theoretically.

I simply cannot recommend it enough and have watched it near two times and am learning more every time.


178 posted on 05/24/2021 7:21:25 PM PDT by walkingdead (We are sacrificing American youth's future on the altar of our own fear. And it is a travesty.)
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To: daniel1212; All
"Based upon this criteria we can easily surmise
that many cases and deaths are being classed as Covid-19
when in reality they are something else,
including the flu (cases of which are very low)..."


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179 posted on 05/24/2021 7:26:24 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: musicman

LOL!
Are you on a mission to bump this dishonest thread?

Anyway, I’ve been told I’m getting a new card and will then give Jim a little extra (and adjust my donor info to reflect the new card) for the trouble the “vax wars” have caused him.

I challenge the idiots who abuse every sensible person to take responsibility and do the same.


180 posted on 05/24/2021 7:34:03 PM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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