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Addressing The "Concern" Posted On Free Republic That Deaths Following Covid-19 "Vaccination" And Published To VAERS Are COINCIDENTAL And Not Useful Indicators of Safety
5/24/2021 | vanity

Posted on 05/24/2021 2:18:06 PM PDT by ransomnote

I began writing a reply to a post in the forum and decided to make it a standalone thread given both the level of effort expended and the frequency I encounter the issue at hand.

FReeper assertion seen in the forum: There are convincing analyses showing that VAERS is only reporting 1/4 of events (including deaths). That’s still almost 4,000 deaths that should be in VAERS, essentially matching what we see in VAERS. If those assumptions are true, it is entirely coincidental deaths. If you take issue with an assumption please specific.

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51% of events published to VAERS [5/21 data] were reported during December and January.  36 million doses of the Covid 'vaccines' were administered during those 51 days. 

Data analyst Albert Benevenidos (sp) used the ratios of adverse event categories (hospitalizations, deaths, office vists etc.) from those records to estimate number of adverse events reported, but not published, by the CDC during the administration of an additional 230 million doses from February to May.

Using that method, Benvidos estimates there have actually been 12,200 deaths and over 1 million adverse events  reported to the CDC, most of which have not been published. That's close to your 14K.

However, based on a Harvard study which found only about 1% of actual events are ever reported to the CDC, he adjusted that figure. Instead of multiplying by 100 to estimate total numbers of  actual post vaccine deaths, he cut that factor to be extremely conservative, as if half of all Covid deaths are reported to VAERS, an impossibly low ratio.

Assuming 1/2 of all post 'vaccine' deaths were being reported to the CDC , the total adjusted estimate for adverse events following Covid 'vaccination' is 610,000 deaths and 50 million adverse events, according to Benevenidos' analysis.

The CDC is not making much of an effort to monitor safety during the purported Covid 'pandemic' or else it would be vigilant in updating and maintaining VAERS promptly. To clear the air, the CDC can easily refute these numbers by uploading the reports it has received but not published.

Also, there are numerous reports of doctors and patients not able to file reports to the CDC. 

How To Report An Adverse Event To VAERS (CDC Database) ONLINE  Following Covid-19 Vaccination 

On the CDC's  'how to' page for reporting to VAERS, the linked table of 'reportable events' which lists the names of vaccines, does not include Covid. That makes sense, at first, because the Covid 'vaccines' are not actually vaccines. However, it certainly must discourage some from reporting their struggles.

So the numbers of reports the CDC is throttled back by challenges the patients face just to file, as are the CDC's decision to publish only a fraction of the reports it receives to VAERS.

And of course, the Harvard research which found only about 1% of actual vaccine adverse events were ever reported to the CDC was conducted was prior to Covid lockdowns which reduced medical and nursing home staff available to file such reports.

Certainly, there are concerns about reports that at nursing homes are under reporting cause of death a level never seen before.

I've heard that we 'must understand' that the most vulerable were vaccinated first and therefore early reports contained a higher proportion of deaths. I don't know if that's true, because based on the conduct of the CDC since the start of the Plandemic, I'm not willing to assume that the CDC is randomly selecting which records it will upload. They could be selectively withholding death reports based on age or other combinations of demographics and instead publishing less severe adverse events.

Remember that reports from December and January are not updated after the patient leaves the ER or hospital, so if those who were surviving during  their ER visit, hospital stay or other event reported to VAERS, but continued a downward spiral and died afterwards, their deaths are not counted.]

Note that the table below does not include records in which a check mark was missing from a specific field in VAERS, but 'death' or 'autopsy request' was typed in the 'event descripton' for the patient.

Also, of the 80 deaths published to VAERS during this time period but classified as vaccine type 'unknown' about half of the 20 I reviewed had text in the description field which indicated they were Covid 'vaccines'. Therefore, some numbers are still under reported in the table below. 



Note that 270 deaths following Covid vaccines published to VAERS are 'unknown age' and are not shown in the table.

There are many complications with poorly maintained data in VAERS which impedes understanding of the impact vaccines may be having on the public. Again, if the CDC would like to clarify these concerns during what they claim is a national emergency updating and correcting data in VAERS, they have the tax payer funds to do so.

The CDC tracks every vaccination carefully, something they would do even if they weren't preparing to roll out vaccine passport mandates.

I believe the NIH/CDC/FDA have the IT and access/infrastructure to match data from other federal or state databases, like US death certificates, with with vaccine records by Social Security Number, if they wanted to. Hospital software tracks annual deaths by type (accidental death versus illness) so surely there are medical databases which could be matched to vaccination databases  - likely both types of data are sitting in the same system(s) right now. 

Do you think 610,000 deaths following Covid 'vaccinations' is an over estimate? Okay, cut it in half. So the estimate becomes 'only' 305,000 deaths following Covid 'vaccination'. Is everything alright now? 

If you think the CDC is concerned, you'd be wrong. Their only concern is concealing this information from the public.


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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
So if you get a COVID shot and get hit by a bus in the parking lot leaving there, it gets reported in VAERS.

Then you should have no problem linking about the guy that got hit by a bus and died in the parking lot after receiving his poison shot and was reported to VAERS.

I'll wait.


141 posted on 05/24/2021 5:52:39 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: Vermont Lt
So don’t get a vaccine.

I won't.

No one cares what you do.

Agreed. You're the one that brought up what I would or would not do.

Ranting on Free Republic changes no minds and simply confuses the easily confused.

Relaying research is not ranting.

FRee Republic is not the natural home of 'the easily confused.' 

By making that observation, you seem to place a portion of FRee Republic 'beneath you'.

2700 deaths out of 287,000,000 injections is not a meaningful statistic. Without an assessment of the cause of death, comorbidities, or the age and health status of these reports—the figure is meaningless.

Even VAERS admits to 3250 and after careful review of the records, the analyst found over 4,000 reported in VAERS, and that the CDC was sitting on many more records not yet published.

The statistics used in medical studies is usually the purview of people with math degrees and advanced degrees in statistics.

I don’t have that background. I am guessing you don’t either.

I'm guessing you're going to pretend you don't know the thread I posted links to a PhD researcher and a highly experienced medical data analyst.

These posts are akin to standing by the side of the road, pointing at the sky, and screaming.

Then stop posting.
None of us will object if you stop screaming.

I understand that people don’t want the vaccination. I am confident that most of them could not articulate a reason why not. The only reasonable response is “I want to wait longer.” And that’s fine.

They don't want you to point at the sky and start screaming, so they give you a 'none-of-your-business' answer.

More people would die—and younger healthier people would die—if we handed out 287 million peanut butter sandwiches or Shrimp cocktails.

Don't give Fauci/CDC ideas!!!!!

In the next year, almost 11,000 of these 287,000,000 million people will die, every day. How do you explain that?

You are intentionally pretending to be obtuse. Explain that.

Or, you could view the data analysis by the PhD researcher linked above.

142 posted on 05/24/2021 5:55:42 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: phoneman08
Have you ever stopped to consider that your anti-vaccine Jihad could well cost someone their or one of their loved one's life or months stay at the Hotel ICU?

Have you ever stopped to consider that your vaxxer jihad could well cost someone their or one of their loved one's life or months stay at the Hotel ICU. Or a lifelong trip to the Island of Dr. Moreau?


143 posted on 05/24/2021 5:59:43 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: phoneman08

biden, fauxi, and the cdc recommending lockdowns, cancellations of events, masks, and vaccines for our citizens to stop the spread of a “deadly virus” while biden opened the border, invited, welcomed, and continues to freely spread thousands of “disease carrying invaders” across our country during a “global pandemic” reeks of hypocrisy and proves we’re being lied to about the severity of this so called “deadly virus”...

why should anyone believe anything these people say about stopping the spread when they’re doing the opposite???...


144 posted on 05/24/2021 6:00:58 PM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: ransomnote
Troll on FR have bragged that FDA Approval would mean we’d no longer have an ‘excuse’ not to get the Covid ‘vaccines’ and that we could then be legally required to do so.

Really? Wow.

145 posted on 05/24/2021 6:02:54 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Silent One

Thank you for that, I will refer back many times for cut and paste I am sure


146 posted on 05/24/2021 6:03:30 PM PDT by walkingdead (We are sacrificing American youth's future on the altar of our own fear. And it is a travesty.)
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To: bagster

No. And I’m unconcerned about alien abductions too


147 posted on 05/24/2021 6:04:06 PM PDT by phoneman08 (qwiyrqweopigradfdzcm,.dadfjl,dz )
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest; bagster

“Thus far, there are zero deaths where anyone has stated that a COVID-19 vaccine was the cause of a person’s death or contributed to the person’s death anywhere in the United States.”

Check this out;
“The vaccine is listed on the death certificate as a contributing cause of death.”
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GaMRlAvNIiZI/


148 posted on 05/24/2021 6:05:56 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
So then produce a single US Standard Certificate of Death which lists COVID-19 vaccine in Section 32 Part I. Or, produce a single doctor or medical examiner willing to go on record to state that they have had a specific patient die because of a COVID-19 vaccine.

Do you know what the deep state would DO to that person, AFTER they stripped them of their credentials and employment?

You want to claim over 600,000 deaths from the vaccines, but you can't produce a single shred of verifiable, official documentation to support a single one of them.

Well that is how crimes against humanity are committed. The Soviets did the same thing. Oligarchs don't require arms of their corrupt government agencies to document their own crimes. 

And I've seen reports in VAERS in which a doctor claimed a vaccine turned him into the Incredible Hulk. Or that a vaccine turned a man's daughter into Wonder Woman. Your source data is unverified anonymous reports. It's basically Wikipedia. Or 4chan.

Gosh why didn't the CDC/FDA/NIH recognize the 'uselessness' of VAERS when they set it up and maintained it for years. Vaccine trolls like you added some stupid records to discredit the database, but anyone who wants to can read records in there and find an endless array of grueling reports of real harm and death. 

ransomnote "Dr. McCullough, Dr. Zelenko and others have all created treatment protocols which reduce cause of death among the most vulnerable by 85%"

Funny how they didn't bother with any of that crap when it was President Trump's life on the line. They went straight to monoclonal antibody therapy. Why do you think that is? If all these miracle cures exist and work so exquisitely well, why did they go to the expensive, brand new treatment option? You think the President of the United States doesn't have the best doctors and access to the best treatment on Earth?

President Trump already advocated HCQ and took it himself to prove that it was safe because he wanted the public to consider it as an important treatment option. Only his doctors know why they recommended that treatment, and no doubt were confident doing so knowing they still had HCQ/AS in their quiver and he had already proven he tolerated it well.

149 posted on 05/24/2021 6:06:43 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: heavy metal

I don’t trust any of them. I trust my own life experiences. Two deaths of dear friends convinced me COVID sucks.


150 posted on 05/24/2021 6:07:28 PM PDT by phoneman08 (qwiyrqweopigradfdzcm,.dadfjl,dz )
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To: walkingdead; blueplum
Think about that. Our immune system is screaming no, and we have to find a way around that. A way around our own immune system........so we can help our immune system? Wait, what?

Not a good idea to sneak around the railroad crossing gate when the arms are down and the lights flashing. Not a good outcome.

151 posted on 05/24/2021 6:09:19 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: phoneman08
No. And I’m unconcerned about alien abductions too.

Because alien abductions are much like shooting poison into your arm on purpose.

I get it.


152 posted on 05/24/2021 6:09:22 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: dynoman; 2aProtectsTheRest
Check this out; “The vaccine is listed on the death certificate as a contributing cause of death.”

Oooooo, busted!

Talking point = RIP


153 posted on 05/24/2021 6:10:51 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: palmer
 That's simply because whoever reported correlated the death with the vaccine. As time passes they lose the VAERS handout or assume it wasn't due to the vax.

PROVE IT!

Don't just make it up and spew it.

Provide data or admit you are shilling.

I cite and provide exported data from VAERS, a video walk through of the data analysis by a PhD researcher, and one from a medical data analyst.

In response, you make up a breezy excuse. All the trolls have breezy excuses for why all data must be contorted to fit 'the narrative'

154 posted on 05/24/2021 6:12:14 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: bagster
So while I agree that VAERS is an undercount...

Well, look at that Ransomnote.

Baby steps, I guess.

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Somebody must have dropped Baby on his head, repeatedly....

155 posted on 05/24/2021 6:13:39 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote
In response, you make up a breezy excuse. All the trolls have breezy excuses for why all data must be contorted to fit 'the narrative'.

Right?

Its getting to be like a cartoon with these people and their excuses and bogus analogies. It sure ain't science, das fo sho.

They sound like my little brothers when they got busted for stealing cookies.

(okay, and me too.*blush*)


156 posted on 05/24/2021 6:16:32 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: Kickass Conservative
That being said, if you don’t want the Vaccine, don’t get it. This agree to get the Vaccine with a Gun pointed at your Head stuff is getting really absurd.

It’s the frigging Godfather Movie come to life.

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It was bad enough for me to watch patriots get the vaccine.

They are now injecting children with this toxin and the deaths are piling up for them too.

I care if China, with enemies foreign and domestic conducts biowarfare on America, on Israel, on Mali, on citizens across the entire globe.

Vaccine passports are in the works and Biden is going to try to force us to accept them.

Everytime you hear of an incentive or requirement, realize that's the foundation for vaccine passport implementation.

The Godfather movie doesn't cover it. Communist overthrow and slavery movies would best portray the attempts being made to strip us of every right we cherish, so that we become livestock to be vaccinated with whatever the deep state wants conservatives, Christians, and dissenters to be injected with.

157 posted on 05/24/2021 6:18:52 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote
Somebody must have dropped Baby on his head, repeatedly....

Just so they don't try to put Baby in the corner.

I won't stand for that.


158 posted on 05/24/2021 6:18:58 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: phoneman08

we’ve been living fear free in my part of florida for a year with no problems...

sorry to hear what you experienced...


159 posted on 05/24/2021 6:20:29 PM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value as well as making people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: bagster

I’ll bet there are more like that.


160 posted on 05/24/2021 6:21:28 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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