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We Bet F-150 Lightning's Range Is under 100 Miles when Towing at the Max
Car and Driver ^ | 05/19/2021 | Dave VanderWerp

Posted on 05/21/2021 11:16:37 AM PDT by thegagline

Range typically occupies an outsized chunk of the conversation on any new EV. But, in the case of the F-150 Lightning, which has the bestselling pickup's usual healthy scoop of towing and hauling capabilities, things get more complicated.

Ford is claiming that the range figures for its electric pickup will come in at 230 miles and 300 miles, depending on whether the standard-range (which we estimate can hold 115.0 kWh) or extended-range battery pack (150.0 kWh, same caveat) is beneath the bed. Those are EPA predictions, specifically EPA combined figures, in lightly loaded conditions. *** Although the Lightning is aided by the aerodynamic effects of its flat underbody, when running at real highway speeds there's no tricking the air molecules, and a bluff truck is going to suffer. In our highway range testing, which we conduct at a steady 75 mph, we typically see a range number that's about 20 percent below the EPA figure. Using that same bogey, which is probably generous in the case of a full-size pickup, would put the Lightning in the 180-to-240-mile zone for what you might achieve on a road trip.

In a recent towing test with another EV, lugging a 3859-pound boat at 70 mph chopped its range in half compared to our lightly loaded highway range test that we conduct at 75 mph. Applying these results to the F-150 means that towing a modest trailer would put the highway range at roughly 115 to 150 miles, depending on the pack. Towing anywhere near the 10,000-pound maximum rating on XLT and Lariat models (with the maximum trailer tow package and extended-range battery) at highway speeds, we believe you'd be hard pressed to exceed double-digit miles. We'd take that bet, in fact. ***

(Excerpt) Read more at autos.yahoo.com ...


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To: thegagline

I guess they need to start retrofitting all the state and national park campgrounds with EV charging stations to each campsite. I’m sure that’s part of Joe’s $4 Trillion infrastructure plan.


21 posted on 05/21/2021 11:40:16 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: thegagline

What is recharge time on these vehicles?


22 posted on 05/21/2021 11:41:27 AM PDT by matthew fuller (Biden's illegal presidency is a democrat declaration of war on civilization.)
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To: thegagline

“would put the Lightning in the 180-to-240-mile zone for what you might achieve on a road trip.”

And then take off one third (at least) of those numbers in case your planned charging station is ‘out of service’.


23 posted on 05/21/2021 11:41:40 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: thegagline

My daughter and her husband just bought a Chrysler Pacifica that has a V-6 and is also fully electric (you plug it in). The electric has a 32 mile range. Since they live in hilly suburban Seattle and most of their trips are under 20 miles 0ne way, there will be very little need for the gas engine to ever kick in, except for trips outside their immediate vicinity.

This is where plug-in electrics, with an ICE really shine.

The idea of a fully electric car is not ready for prime time as your ONLY car unless you’re an urbanite using it to replace a bicycle or scooter. And an electric pickup without ICE is really a bad idea except for short range use.


24 posted on 05/21/2021 11:42:11 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: thegagline

Most of these will be sold to middle aged men who want to look both trendy and tough, live in suburban cul de sacs and never let their truck have mud on it for an entire afternoon, much less run over a speed bump without slowing down to a crawl. Same demographic that bought those Lincoln pickups. The trucks will be well cared for, maybe go to a nearby ski resort or the lake on the weekends and rarely test the range. Ford will upload the data and their engineers will then try to use it to make the next generation of EV trucks actually worth buying as working trucks. Ford knows this already, they have too many people in their marketing division to not know it.


25 posted on 05/21/2021 11:43:10 AM PDT by jz638
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To: dadfly

if true, it’s basically for the tesla toy crowd. not a working truck.


Yup. Maybe some big wheels and really low profile tires to complete the package...


26 posted on 05/21/2021 11:43:24 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: thegagline

Reduced payload, short range under load.

Sure, there’s a class of buyer that does not use their truck as a truck, and never drives more than about 200 miles a day.
That might even be a majority of buyers.

But a man who actually NEEDS a truck, or wishes to drive more than 300 miles per day, won’t even consider this oddity.


27 posted on 05/21/2021 11:43:43 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Yo-Yo

There’s one big problem. A 150kwh battery, by definition, can generate 200 hp for one hour only. The internal combustion equipped F-150’s have between 250 and 400 hp and can operate all day, every day


28 posted on 05/21/2021 11:45:03 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: thegagline

Another problem is comfort for the passengers. Use air conditioning, and the range greatly drops, probably another 20 to 25 percent. On a hot day, don’t use the air conditioning and open all the windows, and range suffers from air resistance with open windows. The F-150 truck is a loser when it comes to hauling on a mildly hot day. Same is true on a cold day when you run the heater. You don’t have to even tow at the max, any towing will greatly impact the range. F-150 electric is a loser.


29 posted on 05/21/2021 11:46:00 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: central_va; MinuteGal; M Kehoe

A three-cylinder diesel should do the trick.

Turn the pickup truck into a locomotive.

Fixed.


30 posted on 05/21/2021 11:47:30 AM PDT by Peter W. Kessler ("NUTS!!!")
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To: thegagline

This is destined for failure!!!


31 posted on 05/21/2021 11:50:53 AM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues th the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: thegagline

Do these yahoos have any idea why people choose to own an F-150? Answer ain’t for hauling kids and groceries.


32 posted on 05/21/2021 11:55:16 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: thegagline

One factor in anything but a large trailer is that they do not have regenerative braking, so whatever margin of the braking is done by the trailer is all lost to heat. So the 2-digit estimate for range with a decent-sized trailer is probably good for all but perfectly flat non-stop driving.


33 posted on 05/21/2021 11:56:00 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: Yo-Yo

“Maybe next they’ll tell us what effect towing at max capacity has on the F-150’s EPA mileage rating for the gas and diesel engined trucks.”

I think the differences are A) You can still tow a lot more miles before needing to fill up, and B) Filling up takes a few minutes.


34 posted on 05/21/2021 11:56:29 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: shotgun

“I guess they need to start retrofitting all the state and national park campgrounds with EV charging stations to each campsite. I’m sure that’s part of Joe’s $4 Trillion infrastructure plan.”

They better HURRY, as campgrounds are already stretched to handle campers and trailers that use more power than most houses.


35 posted on 05/21/2021 11:58:27 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: Yo-Yo
Maybe next they'll tell us what effect towing at max capacity has on the F-150's EPA mileage rating for the gas and diesel engined trucks..

So what? When the gauge gets down toward "E", you find a gas station and fill up. 5 or 10 minutes later, you're on the road again.

It's not so simple when you need to find a charging station, and when you do, you find you're behind a line of hungry Tesla's slurping up electrons at the trough.

36 posted on 05/21/2021 11:59:25 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Der Impfstoff macht frei.)
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To: BobL

“One factor in anything but a large trailer is that they do not have regenerative braking...”

Sorry, need to PROOF-READ:

What I MEANT to say is the following (quite different):

“Trailers, as far as I know, DO NOT have regenerative braking, as electric vehicles do have. Without regen, all breaking energy is lost to heat, thereby killing range.”


37 posted on 05/21/2021 12:03:35 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: thegagline

This is very childish! There are some very nice camping areas within 40 miles of your house.


38 posted on 05/21/2021 12:04:49 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. .... )
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To: matthew fuller

The “Extended range” battery seems to be 150kwh, so figure ~8 hours at 20kw or 5 hours at 30kw or 3 hours at 50 kw ...

By the way, 20kw is an electric dryer plus an electric water heater plus a whole-house air conditioner plus every element of an electric stove.


39 posted on 05/21/2021 12:06:26 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: thegagline

Total waste of money.


40 posted on 05/21/2021 12:09:40 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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