Posted on 05/12/2021 6:20:33 AM PDT by icclearly
Researchers in The Netherlands and Germany have warned that Pfizer-BioNTech’s coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine induces complex reprogramming of innate immune responses that should be considered in the development and use of mRNA-based vaccines.
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“Your immune system? It seems fine. Here, let me fix it for you.”
YES!!
It like the IRS showing up and announcing “I’m here to help you!”
Depends on what your interpretation of positive is...Me I will abide by what God made....I see it as an outright attack on Gods creation in order to cull the herd. Look at the ingredients in the “Vaccines” they are doling out on the African continent ....side effects diminish births. Gates foundation program.
LeonardFMason wrote: “What if the “reprogramming of innate immune responses” is a POSITIVE effect?”
From the article: “The researchers say that in combination with strong adaptive immune responses, the reprogramming of innate responses could either contribute to a more balanced inflammatory reaction to SARS-CoV-2 infection or a weakened innate immune response.”
I don’t think there is any reason at this point to believe that the danger of what was discussed in the article (if there is indeed any danger) would be any less for the Moderna vaccine.
By the way, there has been a lot of talk about mRNA vaccines (I guess because they sound scary), but the virus vector vaccines (J&J, AstraZeneca, Sputnik V) also use mRNA to get the cells to produce spike protein. Actually, in some ways these vaccines are even more intrusive than the mRNA vaccines because they get the cell’s nucleus to produce the mRNA for the spike protein, while the mRNA just shuttle the mRNA into the cell without ever getting into the nucleus.
If you want to avoid mRNA for the spike protein then you’ve got your attenuated virus vaccines (CoronaVac — PRC, Covaxin — India) and your protein subunit vaccines (Novavax.) But none of these are available in the U. S. as far as I’m aware.
Honestly, I’m not terribly worried about mRNA versus non mRNA vaccines. Whenever you get infected by any virus all the machinery of your cells get hijacked. This happens to us every time we get a cold.
I got the Pfizer vaccine — the very last hold out in my family. Everybody in my family has gotten either Moderna or Pfizer. My 101 y/o grandmother got Pfizer and had no side effects. Same with my 82 y/o father. I had just a little body aches and a very slightly runny nose on the second dose of Pfizer, while my wife had no side effects. For the Moderna vaccine, members of my extended family generally felt sick with flu-like symptoms for about 24 hours after the second dose.
>Lets roll the dice & see. Maybe it will be good.
>Hope you don’t have much responsibility for the welfare of others.
Life is a roll of the dice. The best that each of us can do is to try to make a prudent decision based on the info we have at hand, and then leave it to God.
All viral infections “reprogram innate immune responses”.
All.
It’s how antibodies are made.
Another Crap article turning truth into hysteria.
Utter crap.
I’d hold off, Laz, your health conditions notwithstanding.
There are more and more real-world issues with these mRNA injections; the spike protein is the problem, as it has been shown experimentally to cause clotting even without the virus present.
Dr. McCullough - he and his team have an 85% success rate treating vulnerable patients with their medication protocol. He’s not the only one with successful treatment protocols. He and others know they will be attacked but put their futures on the line to save lives.
(He’s not a quack; he’s also testified before Congress.)
I don’t have time at the moment, but if you wait until this evening I’ll see if I can find the post from another FReeper whose husband (IIRC, diabetic, just came out of cardiac surgery) used the protocol, had the highest antibody counts for COVID-19 their nurse had ever seen, and didn’t require hospitalization for the COVID. (That post was yesterday.)
Reduced Response is not "reprogramming" as when antibodies are made. "Following vaccination, innate immune cells had a reduced response to toll-like receptor 4 (TLR4), TLR7 and TLR8 – all ligands that play an important role in the immune response to viral infection." from post 5 this thread.
I’m thinking there will be a huge market for the undo vaccine.
“Another Crap article turning truth into hysteria.”
I know this is a “joke post.” Exactly when did the hysteria start? I’m thinking about February 2020 and it snowballed from there with face diapers and economic lockdowns for a year.
But, thanks for reminding us of “hysteria.”
If you get COVID-19 your body is going to be cranking out spike proteins. There’s really no way around this, whether you get vaccinated (any of the vaccines) or catch COVID-19, there’s gonna be SARS-CoV-2 spike protein floating around in your body. Based on my readings one of the benefits of the mRNA vaccines (and this would likely also hold true for the virus vector and protein subunit vaccines as well) is that they are able to target specific parts of the spike protein that are less likely to give rise to pathological immune responses (i.e. ADE — antibody dependent enhancement.) There’s been a lot of talk of ADE in the context of mRNA vaccines, but the fact is that the most serious incidents in the past of ADE were due to attenuated/inactivated virus vaccines, e.g. Dengvaxia.
If the purpose of the vaccines is to cause your body to produce the spike protein to generate an immune response then why didn’t they just create and inject spike proteins as the vaccine? That seems like a much simpler solution.
Exactly.
That is not quite what I’ve read: I had a fanatical pro-jab troll tell me, the spike protein was chosen because it was the proteins in the rest of the virus’s shell which caused the ADE.
When I asked him for sources, he never answered.
The other issue, is that if you go without a jab, you may *happen* to avoid exposure to spike protein, but if you take one, you are guaranteeing a LOT, all at once; and multiple studies have shown it goes from the muscle into the lymph and bloodstream.
Aside from this, there are anti-viral prophylactic protocols which in clinical practice have an 85% success rate, without the attendant risks.
Taking the jab gives 95% relative risk reduction, but only about a 2% absolute risk reduction; and the immunity conferred by the jabs, has only been measured as long as 2 months.
The other thing is with the jabs, they are talking about every 6-month to annual booster jabs: and there is serious discussion about the successive waves of spike protein, particularly in the brain.
> If the purpose of the vaccines is to cause your body to produce the spike protein to generate an immune response then why didn’t they just create and inject spike proteins as the vaccine? That seems like a much simpler solution.
I think this is called a subunit protein vaccine. Novavax is the only one that I know of. I haven’t read much about it as it is not available in the U. S.
With any of the routes that we have available in the U. S. today, i.e. wait to get infected, vaccinate with an mRNA vaccine (Modern or Pfizer), or vaccinate with a vector virus vaccines (J&J), your ribosomes are going to be using mRNA to be crank out spike proteins (and a lot of other stuff besides if you get infected.)
> That is not quite what I’ve read: I had a fanatical pro-jab troll tell me, the spike protein was chosen because it was the proteins in the rest of the virus’s shell which caused the ADE.
As I recall the issue with ADE is due to specific parts of the spike protein. There were some papers which discussed this very early on after “Operation Warpspeed” was launched. ADE was on the radar from the very beginning of these efforts, and if you are willing to put aside some of the crazier conspiracy theories floating around (and I for one am), it seems reasonable to assume that efforts were made to minimize these risks.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7247514/
“The advantages of mRNA vaccines include ability to create a highly precise type of protein to elicit the correct antibodies, to elicit T cell responses that are Th1 predominant, and the rapidity of manufacturing.”
“Vaccines inducing strong neutralizing antibodies, predominant Th1 responses and balanced CD4/CD8 and polyfunctional T cell responses are less likely to induce immunopathology.”
But that's a different story, one you are apparently not interested in.
> What conspiracy? The virus is a Chinese bioweapon (whether finalized or an “oops” release of a premature version), centered ON the spike protein.
Maybe. I don’t know enough to say with certainty one way or the other at this point. I have no doubt, however, that China has active bioweapons program.
> But that’s a different story, one you are apparently not interested in.
It is a different story, but that doesn’t mean I’m not interested.
No time now, will return tonight.
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