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To: MtnClimber

>>People are being misled into believing they’re virtuous and brave for taking a highly experimental vaccine that was hastily conceived and is the first mRNA vaccine ever distributed. <<

This is factually incorrect. It is fine if you are (I believe foolishly) anti-Vax. But stating things patently false is NOT a Conservative value.

mRNA vaccines have been around for a number of years. It is true it is newer than something like the flu vaccine but that does not mean it is not good. And after literally millions of vaccinations and .0001% or fewer problems this attempted argument is empirically wrong.

The vaccine went through ALL the steps any and all vaccines go through.

The difference is Operation Warp Speed put those steps at the front of the line at every step and it had government expediters to ensure these steps hit as few bureaucratic snags as possible. The steps themselves were NOT skipped, streamlined or given short shrift.

Remember: Warp Speed was Trump’s now-successful initiative and now that ahole bidet is taking credit for it.


8 posted on 03/25/2021 5:55:21 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (No matter what, resist and stop the agenda of blow bidet and hairass the whore)
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To: freedumb2003; MtnClimber

Quit broad brushing people.

That is so disingenuous by the vax pushers.

Someone having legitimate concerns about a rushed experimental treatment for a disease that has other treatment options that are being denied to people and has a fairly low mortality rate unless the government interferes and has you murdered, is not by default an *anti-vaxxer*.

Concern over ONE vaccine does not mean someone objects to every one.

Sheesh.....


16 posted on 03/25/2021 6:12:50 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: freedumb2003

“The vaccine went through ALL the steps any and all vaccines go through.”
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You are mistaken.

“An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives.

From a safety perspective, FDA expects an EUA submission will include all safety data accumulated from phase 1 and 2 studies conducted with the vaccine, with an expectation that phase 3 data will include a median follow-up of at least 2-months (meaning that at least half of vaccine recipients in phase 3 clinical trials have at least 2 months of follow-up) after completion of the full vaccination regimen. In addition, FDA expects that an EUA request will include a phase 3 safety database of well over 3,000 vaccine recipients, representing a high proportion of participants enrolled in the phase 3 study, who have been followed for serious adverse events and adverse events of special interest for at least one month after completion of the full vaccination regimen.

The EUA process is different than an FDA approval or clearance. Under an EUA, in an emergency, the FDA makes a product available to the public based on the best available evidence, without waiting for all the evidence that would be needed for FDA approval or clearance.”


28 posted on 03/25/2021 6:44:50 AM PDT by Cathi
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To: freedumb2003
mRNA vaccines have been around for a number of years

There has been experimention with mRNA vaccines for a number of years, but none had been licensed for human use. That fact alone should raise a red flag. From Wiki:

Up until 2020, these mRNA biotech companies had poor results testing mRNA drugs for cardiovascular, metabolic and renal diseases; selected targets for cancer; and rare diseases like Crigler–Najjar syndrome, with most finding that the side-effects of mRNA insertion were too serious.[24][25] mRNA vaccines for human use have been developed and tested for the diseases rabies, Zika, cytomegalovirus, and influenza, although these mRNA vaccines have not been licensed.[26] Many large pharmaceutical companies abandoned the technology,[24] while some biotechs re-focused on the less profitable area of vaccines, where the doses would be at lower levels and side-effects reduced.[24][27]

And after literally millions of vaccinations and .0001% or fewer problems this attempted argument is empirically wrong. The vaccine went through ALL the steps any and all vaccines go through.

The critical issue is the follow-up time, not the steps. It is rare for a vaccine to be approved in under 5 years, mainly because years of monitoring test subjects for complications has been considered necessary. With the COVID vaccine, we've had months, not years of follow-up. One of the main concerns of these vaccines is triggering of autoimmune disorders. These disorders typically develop over years. Giving these vaccines emergency authorization was a calculated risk since we can't and don't know the long term effects. That's precisely why they got emergency use approval and not formal approval. Look, I sincerely hope and pray these vaccines don't cause long-term problems. But don't pretend that because we have under a year of clinical data that the vaccines have been "proven safe".
34 posted on 03/25/2021 6:56:29 AM PDT by armydoc
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