Posted on 03/18/2021 2:04:10 PM PDT by ransomnote
The decision this week by more than 20 European countries to temporarily stop using AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine has opened a rift between vaccine safety experts, who say the cases of serious clotting and bleeding that triggered the pause are alarming and unusual, and public health officials concerned that the immunization pause on a continent in the grip of the pandemic’s third wave could take a heavy toll.
“The harm caused by depriving people of access to a vaccine will likely vastly outweigh even the worst case scenario if any link to the clotting disorders is eventually found,” University of Leeds virologist Stephen Griffin told the United Kingdom’s Science Media Centre. The European Medicines Agency (EMA) and the World Health Organization have recommended that countries continue immunizations while they investigate the reports.
Scientists don’t know whether the vaccine causes the syndrome, and if so, what the mechanism is. “Everyone’s scratching their heads: Is this a real signal?” says Robert Brodsky, a hematologist at Johns Hopkins University. But vaccine safety officials say they did not take the decision lightly, and that symptoms seen in at least 13 patients, all between ages 20 and 50 and previously healthy, in at least five countries are more frequent than would be expected by chance. The patients, at least seven of whom have died, suffer from widespread blood clots, low platelet counts, and internal bleeding—not typical strokes or blood clots. “It’s a very special picture” of symptoms, says Steinar Madsen, medical director of the Norwegian Medicines Agency. “Our leading hematologist said he had never seen anything quite like it.”
You nailed it.
A veterinarian with zero credentials on the subject.
Stop with the games.
U.S. looking to loan AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine doses to Canada and Mexico
CBS News|52 minutes ago"White House press secretary Jen Psaki confirmed Thursday the U.S. is looking to "loan" a total of 4 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine to Canada and Mexico — 2.5 million to Mexico and 1.5 to Canada."
"Oh sure, sure, good stuff, cmon man! No, no need to repay it back, Senor Labrador. Enjoy! Gotta go President Harris is saying there is tapioca pudding left!"
From what I have read over the last couple of days, the incidence of clotting among those receiving the AZ vaccine is no different, or even less than among those not receiving it.
Most of what was known through 2015 about coronavirus vaccines was by veterinarian researchers.
ransomnote, you wrote, “All those countries reporting medical problems are ignored and now the bureaucrats are ‘right’.”
Yes, it is amazing how naive many people are to how these decisions are actually made...:-) The following is a short part from a “hacked” and confirmed by the EMA as an accurate email which provides information on how these “decisions are really made.”
“At a minimum we can say that the TC was interesting, the atmosphere was rather tense, at times even a bit unpleasant, and provides a hint on what EMA may expect if the expectations are not being met, irrespective if such expectations are realistic or not.
The real added value of today’s TC in my view is that we have more clarity now on what may not be acceptable now to the EC, i.e. a delay of several weeks between the authorization granted by the FDA/MHRA (under whatever form) and a CMA opinion issued by the EMA. The political fallout seems to be too high, even if the “technical” level at the MSs (as it was referred to by the commissioner) could defend such a delay in order to make the outcome of the scientific review as robust as possible.
Although we know the whatever we do (speeding up the process to align as much as possible with the approval timing by the FDA/MHRA versus taking the time needed to have robust assurance in particular as regards CMC and safety will have a very big challenge addressing questions and criticisms from the various parties (EC, MSs at political level, EP, media, the general public) in case of delay of several weeks.”
But none of those who died from the vaccine caught COVID.
I remember reading a version of that — amazing!
I knew a few Thalidamide kids: they had arms or legs only a few inches long. Caution is not a bad thing.
Stop with the games.
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You're the game player.
Geert Vanden Bossche, PhD, DVM, is a vaccine research expert. He has a long list of companies and organizations he’s worked with on vaccine discovery and preclinical research, including GSK, Novartis, Solvay Biologicals, and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Dr Vanden Bossche also coordinated the Ebola vaccine program at GAVI (Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization).
I quoted the text above from this link:
Geert Bossche: Halt All Covid-19 Mass Vaccination (Open Letter to WHO) (dryburgh.com)
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My spouse, a PhD who works on clinical trials, was not all that impressed until I provided a more complete resume...You seemed to question a DVM, but I have been told it has been more difficult to get in to Vet school than Med school.
Video has Vanden Bossche employment history at 3:13 minute mark—numerous senior roles, all vaccine related at GSK Biologicals, Novartis, Solvay Biologicals, Bill Linda Gates Foundation, GAVI, Univac, and Vareco.
Vanden Bossche studied at Ghent University for his M.D. in Veterinary Medicine from 1980 to 1983. He then obtained his Postdoctoral training in Equine Medicine and Surgery at the Free University of Berlin (1984-1987).
From 1990, Vanden Bossche underwent a Postdoctoral Fellowship in Virology at James A. Baker Institute for Animal Health, Cornell University in New York.
He was board certified in Veterinary Virology in 1990. Two years later he was Board certified in Veterinary Microbiology and Animal Hygiene. What boards? Well likely in Europe.
Some of the other universities where Geert Vanden Bossche has worked as an academic include the Robert Koch Institute in Berlin, the University of Hohenheim in Stuttgart, the REGA Institute, KU Leuven in Belgium.
Open letter? Not written by him? Uh I think it was...Yes, he tweeted it but he wrote it too...(search is your friend), and I think it was on Linked-in, which you, having such credentials, can probably verify.
The schedule for the summit you provided was labeled tentative, so perhaps he changed the subject? Don’t know...
So you have PhD and DVM, post-doc, 30 published papers, worked for several pharma companies? Good to know, I will be looking to your posts for expertise on vaccines and future COVID threads. You did not list your similar credentials BTW.
So I don’t think he is spouting “crackpot drivel” I don’t know if he is right (and I hope he is not), I don’t agree with everything he says—he is very pro these vaccines. However, he is stepping out of comfort zone to make these statements, and so I admire him for that.
I have spent a lot of time providing you with links...It is late. Have a good night.
Yes. It is.
Our society is inching to the premise of “I am Legend” territory.
And not one of them gives a crap about any of the now dead people.
oh that s a head scratcher all right. Took an unnecessary experimental medicine and died. We didn’t think that would happen. We also ignore anyone critical or trying to discuss warnings, becuase when we blanket label them as “anti-science” we get a whole lot of other people to attack them for us.
I saw only one, in NYC where millions of people pass by every day, and that is because it was a tragedy in countries where they did not have our FDA, not here.
And not one of them gives a crap about any of the now dead people.
oh that s a head scratcher all right. Took an unnecessary experimental medicine and died. We didn’t think that would happen. We also ignore anyone critical or trying to discuss warnings, becuase when we blanket label them as “anti-science” we get a whole lot of other people to attack them for us.
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I miss the days when more than one medical opinion was tolerated. Now a second opinion on the Covid Vaccine can get a doctor fired. Speaking in public about possible side effects and warnings gets Doctors/Researchers fired/stripped of credentials/stripped of hospital access etc.
I miss the days when bureaucrats didn’t over rule my doctor and my pharmacist. I miss the days when doctors could be doctors and my treatment wasn’t being directed by Pfizer and others in control right now.
I miss the days when lying to the public about matters involving medical health wasn’t tolerated. Those were the good ol’ days.
One I knew was in my first grade class in NC.
I met another a few years later in VA.
Kary Mullis invented the PCR test and felt it was not appropriate for Covid-19 and he was ignored. In an old interview, Mullis said Fauci is a liar.
By its very nature, science is almost never “settled”.
Stifling discussion and critical viewpoints serves zero purpose.
Further what we are seeing on tv is not true science.
It is 100% politicized science.
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