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An exit strategy for the F-35 debacle
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com ^ | by Air Boss | March 15, 2021 06:00 AM

Posted on 03/15/2021 10:11:00 AM PDT by Red Badger

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1 posted on 03/15/2021 10:11:00 AM PDT by Red Badger
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2 posted on 03/15/2021 10:15:02 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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The strategy for air superiority was wrong, is wrong... But it will not change because of the money. The F-16 is the perfect platform. All that was needed was better, more modern missiles. Savings- 500 billion dollars.


3 posted on 03/15/2021 10:15:45 AM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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“many designs have borrowed U.S. ideas and technology”

sold to them by dems no doubt. And I think it is we who have UFO tech. :)

And I was so psyched about the F35 coming to Marine Corps Cherry Point.


4 posted on 03/15/2021 10:15:52 AM PDT by huldah1776
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It doesnt matter what plane we try to build. Someone is always out there to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. F35 had a lot of requirements creep, and it tries to do a lot, but I dont hear the aviators complaining. But lets drop back and build a 45 year old design from a competing manufacturer and that will fix all our problems until we can design a new plane and spend 25 years trying to get it into production...sheesh.


5 posted on 03/15/2021 10:17:46 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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At a minimum the VSTOL variant needs to be kept for the Navy as it allows smaller ships to be used as aircraft carriers.

Be very careful here, because with the Dems in charge, cancelling the F35 is more likely to result in -zero- new aircraft for the Air Force, as they will cancel and then refuse to restart F22 production.

6 posted on 03/15/2021 10:18:03 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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John McCain... the gift that keeps on giving...


7 posted on 03/15/2021 10:18:24 AM PDT by ponygirl (An Appeal to Heaven )
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I live on the runway slope path to/from Eglin AFB.

The F-35 is SUPER LOUD. Louder than any aircraft before...................


8 posted on 03/15/2021 10:18:37 AM PDT by Red Badger ("We've always been at war with Climate Change, Winston."..............................)
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challenging Western democratic interests on every front

Western democracy has more problems than the F-35, but please tell us what "democratic interests" are being challenged by China or Russia right now.

If they leave Western democracy alone it will collapse within ten-fifteen years if not sooner. Why would they bother?

9 posted on 03/15/2021 10:19:24 AM PDT by Jim Noble (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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"...The strategic environment the F-35 was envisioned to defeat a quarter of a century ago no longer exists..."

It is wise to be wary of someone who states that there is no need for something because the cause for it "no longer exists".

It is the same type of stupidity that rendered our fighter aircraft gun-less because air-to-air missiles made guns obsolete.

It is thinking like that which has rendered militaries impotent at times when potency was most needed, at the outbreak of hostilities.

It doesn't mean we shouldn't re-examine things. But neither should we assume that a strategic reason 'doesn't exist' just because someone says it doesn't.

10 posted on 03/15/2021 10:20:38 AM PDT by rlmorel ("I’d rather enjoy a risky freedom than a safe servitude." Robby Dinero, USMC Veteran, Gym Owner)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

Air superiority=dogfights=wrong.

I love the F-22 and I think it was wrong to kill it.

But the F35 has been shown to be able to “kill” every combatant currently flying. And will be able to for a long time.


11 posted on 03/15/2021 10:21:31 AM PDT by saleman
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The F-16 is the perfect platform. All that was needed was better, more modern missiles. Savings- 500 billion dollars.

The F-16 has limitations, one being a very large radar signature.

12 posted on 03/15/2021 10:23:25 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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A great many of us have been advocating for this very thing for many years. I well over 20 years in Naval Aviation and have known for quite some time that the F-35 concept was an unworkable Turkey. No one military aircraft can be all things for all scenarios. The Swiss Army knife of the skies is an apt analogy. The F-35 is designed to do many many things and not one of those things can it do very well. In many cases, it can’t actually do many of them at all.
And, many of us have known this for quite some time. Politics kept this Turkey on Life Support. Long past time to kill it.


13 posted on 03/15/2021 10:24:09 AM PDT by ocrp1982
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No one military aircraft can be all things for all scenarios.

Tell that to the all knowing Congressmen and women who have degrees in Aeronautics and aeronautical engineering................Oh, there aren't any...............

14 posted on 03/15/2021 10:26:55 AM PDT by Red Badger ("We've always been at war with Climate Change, Winston."..............................)
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"The F-35 program and its basic design concepts are failures." somewhere, PukinDog is laughing...
15 posted on 03/15/2021 10:29:06 AM PDT by Chode (Ashli Babbitt - #SayHerNAME)
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Typical BS, we spend 5 TIMES as much as Russia and China combined on out military, therefore we are better than them, and therefore we have NOTHING to worry about, ever.


16 posted on 03/15/2021 10:31:31 AM PDT by BobL (TheDonald.win is now Patriots.win)
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You think maybe there’s a lot of money involved for this guy — a competitor.

I didn’t see any quotes from F-35 pilots, and this guy has severe limitations on knowledge of air warfare.


17 posted on 03/15/2021 10:33:27 AM PDT by detch (")
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“If they leave Western democracy alone it will collapse within ten-fifteen years if not sooner.”

My father said something along similar lines many many years ago. He said to get rid of the Jews, just leave them alone. Each generation will marry outside of their faith until there are few left.

War is the fastest way to galvanize a populace around a belief in god and country. Leaving a populace alone will only result in death from self inflicted wounds.


18 posted on 03/15/2021 10:33:43 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Keep the Faith. Everything happens for a reason.)
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we spend 5 TIMES as much as Russia and China combined on out military

I know that is the number but does it show the disparity in payrolls?

That aside, check out the movie Pentagon Wars for an old eye opener on who things cost as much as they do IMO. Mission creep is part of it but another part of it is post government employment planning.


19 posted on 03/15/2021 10:38:43 AM PDT by Mouton (The enemy of the people is the media.)
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The fact that the ChiComs replicated the F22 and NOT the F35 should tell you something.


20 posted on 03/15/2021 10:40:00 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Dum Spiro, Pugno)
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