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To: MtnClimber

In many respects, Trump was the president in name only.

The DOJ, CIA, NSA, FBI etc just gave him the middle finger, with a smirk.


4 posted on 02/25/2021 5:39:32 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

The bureaucracy is tough and will do extraordinary things to protect itself. Their view is that presidents come and go, but the bureaucracy is permanent. They know how to defend their empires.

Being from the private sector Trump was used to having his direction followed. He wasn’t used to insubordination and people putting their self interests above the company.

Once one agency was able to frustrate him it opened the door for the rest of the agencies to do the same.

Trump never really established control over the bureaucracy IMO.


13 posted on 02/25/2021 6:10:07 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Travis McGee; mewzilla; Red Badger; Recovering Ex-hippie
mewzilla: "Trump never gives up."

Travis McGee: "In many respects, Trump was the president in name only."

Red Badger: "Wray dragged his feet, because he knew the fix was in on election 2020..............................."

Recovering Ex-Hippie: "I would LOVE to have Trump run in 2024...but I would not wish another 4 years of hell for him and his family."

All correct, I'd suspect.
Someday we may learn what was really going on behind the scenes, but most likely what Wray knew Trump also knew, so what was he going to do about it?

You may remember, at some of Trump's final rallies in 2020 he said, and his crowds roared back to him: "12 more years!" -- I wondered then, what's that all about?
Well, 12 years is the length from 2016 if he runs & wins again in 2024, serves to 2028.

So, did he "let it happen"? Did he "make it happen"? Or was he forced by "circumstances beyond control"?
We can only guess.

14 posted on 02/25/2021 6:12:39 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...) )
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To: Travis McGee
The DOJ, CIA, NSA, FBI etc just gave him the middle finger, with a smirk.

Quite true.

What is amazing is that it was an in-your-face 4-year event that became increasingly obvious even to most outsiders. The extent of the failure of critical institutions, apart from the simple failure itself, is becoming more evident on a daily basis.

18 posted on 02/25/2021 6:18:15 AM PST by frog in a pot (The voters do the heavy lifting...or not.)
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To: Travis McGee

To some extent this is true. Yertle allowed him to make some judge appointments and pass legislation Yertle thought would benefit Yertle.

Everything else Trump did, he had to do through Ex Orders, which Biteme is now undoing.


33 posted on 02/25/2021 7:05:06 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix) )
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To: Travis McGee

In many respects, Trump was the president in name only.

The DOJ, CIA, NSA, FBI etc just gave him the middle finger, with a smirk.


Agree. I’d rather have the truth about the swamp now from Trump now than have him pulling his punches and trying to recreate a GOP coalition to run again in 2024. It’s time to throw the coupist GOP overboard. My family has no interest in voting GOP in 2022.


44 posted on 02/25/2021 4:12:06 PM PST by lodi90
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