Future Weapons - AA-12 Full-auto Shotgun

Youtube ^ | Jan 30, 2010 | AirsoftPistols

[Robert DeLong]

Future Weapons - AA-12 Full-auto Shotgun.

[RandallFlagg]

Also used by the main protagonist in the movie, “Predators.”

[SuperLuminal]

Emailed link to the old lady as a Father’s Day hint...🙄

[ought-six]

Oh, my!

[familyop]

"Unfortunately, a 12 gauge has too much recoil for many women. An AR15, however, is smooth as silk."

True about AR-15s. The adjustable butt stocks and other features of AR-15s are also especially helpful to women. Typically narrow shoulders on women cause improper form and other difficulties with standard length butt stocks. The pistol grips on AR-15s also afford better use of shorter butt stocks for people in general (better for a shorter form, especially shorter arms). Butt stocks that are too short on standard configuration bolt action rifles and shotguns can cause problems with form and balance.

AR-15s are far better for people of various heights and far better for shorter people with narrow shoulders (women). AR-15s can also be built to be noticeably lighter in weight than shotguns. Little do gun control proponents realize, that they're discriminating against women in self-defense with pushes to outlaw or over-regulate AR-15s, which can cost women their lives.

In rural areas, attacks are more likely from distances beyond practical pistol range, and some terrain situations (criminal on higher ground) would not allow for a woman to retreat from her home. Also, criminal thugs wearing body armor against pistol ballistics might attack an isolated woman at home.

Pistols are also generally less safe than rifles for defense against large bear attacks. I would use a .44 magnum or hot rod .45 revolver with heavyweight, hard cast bullet loads for that purpose, but most people wouldn't.

"Low recoil" 00 buck 12 gauge loads (2 3/4 inch) aren't nearly as bad as full power loads, though, and work well enough for terminal ballistics at short distances (1100 fps). With a little practice, most women can manage that with a regular butt stock (*not* a pistol grip).

A pistol grip on a shotgun will only work for some people with some extra training. Trying to aim with the sight while using a pistol grip on a shotgun can cause a broken face or other injury. It needs to be fired from a lower and slightly forward position with a very firm grip. I can use one just fine, but many other people might be risking injury with it.

[Robert DeLong]

Good luck. 8>)

[familyop]

"What do you mean? Just interested."

What you said ---->

"I’ve got a 12 ga. With a short (18” - legal) barrel I probably don’t take out often enough. Historically out to about 12-15 yards it has a pattern about the size of a ping pong ball when loaded with double ought. After 15 it starts to spread and by 25 you’ve got pellets that aren’t even hitting paper. I would note that shortening that barrel from 22” to 18” made that thing kick like a mule."

Find your maximum distance to get enough pellets in an attacker (or wild game). Practice until point shooting becomes feasible. Repeat practice periodically for point shooting.

Difficult to do with the ammunition shortages, eh? A younger adult family member has been wanting to go to the range with me to learn to fire a bolt action hunting rifle here and will be waiting out the shortage (need primers, 'cause SHTF-ers and/or lefties went nuts on those). She likes math and physics, and is really more likely interested in possibly competing at long ranges in the near future than hunting. I gave her some information helpful for choosing a starter rifle for just that--something very modifiable for long range.

[maddog55]

AR-12 semi-auto is a lot of fun.

[fso301]

Wouldn't want to lug clumsy drum magazines around.

What happens when the gun gets hot and a round is sitting in the chamber with it's plastic melting?

[Sirius Lee]

What happens when the gun gets hot and a round is sitting in the chamber with it's plastic melting?

Unintentional excitement.

[Robert DeLong]

Dunk it in water, it still works perfectly even after being submerged in water.

But hey, whatever you chose to do is certainly your right.

[circlecity]

Boy you are right about primers disappearing. Same with Vargat powder.

[Right Wing Assault]

Your own mini-Phalanx gun.

Send one to Joe Biden to shoot into the air.

[SauronOfMordor]

A friend has a Saiga 12 gauge semi auto shotgun. The advantage is that civilians can get one, and you can get high capacity drum mags for it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F1vPXTcE5-4

[Robert DeLong]

That’s an interesting option. But it seems to have more kickback to it, and the accuracy seems a bit off.