Should we be concerned about other long term side effects from mRNA vaccines?
A concern that deserves mention is the possibility that a cross-reaction and immunity to other parts of the spike protein could cause auto-immune disease or other problems.
A former Pfizer VP, Dr. Michael Yeadon, who has over 30 years of experience in immunology and drug research, filed a Stay of Action petition with the European Medicine Agency (like our FDA) to halt the trials of mRNA vaccines over concerns it might affect sterility in women.
Yeadon is worried that the mRNA vaccine was coded for a region of the spike protein that was similar to Syncytin-1, which is a protein that is essential for the development of the placenta. If a woman’s body makes antibodies to this protein, she could become sterile when vaccinated for COVID-19. This is a theory, not a proven fact, and no one has studied it. Yeadon’s insistence on more studies to make sure this will not happen seems reasonable.
Can it later on trigger the cells to become cancerous?
Get this at your own risk.
Oh this will bring out the big pharma pro vax FR shills, in particular Dr Gas(lighter).
Masters degrees in nursing right here with 24 years of practice. I will not receive this vaccine for the same reasons. No one, NO ONE, can tell you for certain these vaccines are safe. The studies are not there, so if they tell you the jab is safe, they’re speculating (at best).
Sorry. I’ll roll the dice on my own immune system, which I supplement with Vitamin C, Zinc, and Vitamin D3 every day. Hard pass on this unknown witches’ brew.
Never been tried on such a large scale before. Great. I hope that in 5 or 10 years we're congratulating ourselves as a people for defeating the virus. I hope those of us that did not take it are not struggling to support and care for those who did as they die a horrible lingering death. Right now there is no medical nor mathematical/statistical reason to say either outcome absolutely will or will not happen.
“..there is a theoretical possibility of DNA (or RNA) vaccines causing autoimmunity or that the DNA would integrate into the human genome”
Sanjay Mishra, Staff Scientist, Vanderbilt University Medica Center. (one of Facebook’s fact-checkers)
Excellent, very fair article. Bookmaeking to share with others.
Bottom line:
1. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are effective at significantly lowering incidents of diagnosed Covid-19.
2. Usually 5 years of data is needed to say a vaccine is safe. With only 4 months of data, these should still be regarded as experimental.
3. “Our history shows there are good reasons why new medicines and vaccines are not rushed into widespread use until we have multiple studies and time to assess the safety and efficacy of the new treatments. If the death rate from COVID-19 were much higher, it might make the risks acceptable to try an experimental vaccine. Given that the COVID-19 death rate is a little higher than a bad flu, my opinion is that younger and healthier people need a more rigorous risk/benefit analysis before taking the mRNA vaccines.”
Me, I’ll keep taking ivermectin and HCQ every 2 weeks; vitamins D3 5000, C 1500 daily; zinc 50 every 2 days, and wait a few more months on the vaccines.
From the article:
“There was also a trend towards those getting the vaccine having a less severe disease and needing less hospitalization.”
Out of 21,500 participants, 9 placebo people needing hospitalization vs 1 vaccinated is NOT a TREND. It is random.
Also:
“It was hard to ascertain death avoidance in these small studies.”
Not “hard”, but IMPOSSIBLE. Zero people died from COVID in a sample like this.
The problem is the “warp speed”.
It is not a vaccine that is offered, it is genetic modification, genetic engineering.
No thank you.
The immune system attacks and kills cells expressing viral surface protein.
This may not be a good thing in non—replicating cell populations
(female ova, neural) just a thought
Wow!!! A whole thread of sane people who have critical thinking skills and rational thought processes.
Of those 3, the most disturbing sounding was the idea that we have two types of macrophages. One, goes in initially makes a lot of noise, sounds alarm bells and makes a mess. Cytokines.
The second comes in and says, "OK guys, thanks for the work we will take it from here and begins the process of clean up and healing.
The vaccine pretty much eliminates the clean up guys, according to this doctor. Makes sense if you think of all the animals that died in the trials previously conducted.
We are creating GMO people.
In as much as the “vaccine” does the same thing that Covid-19 does - triggers the immune system to make antibodies against a critical protein of the virus - and in as much as the Virus is (a) not fatal to over 90% 9f the population, (b) does not even raise a severe illness in most who become infected with it, and (c) measures to protect those who are the most vulnerable to it are readily available, and (d) treatments to (1) prevent the need for hospitalization, (2) shorten hospitalization time, (3) prevent fatalities in the most severe cases, then it all sounds like letting herd immunity take its course would require less investment, can be done while holding down fatalities and will be just as much of a preventative as the “vaccines”.
If the majority of the population was faced with possible fatality from Covid-19 it would be a different story. But the actual case of Covid-19 is the opposite - it fatally affects a small minority of the population. and While that vulnerable minority deserves some protection, that protection is acquired by enough folks having some NATURAL immunity to the virus, which can just as well be obtained by the 90+% of the population acquiring those immunities naturally.
There is certainly zero science that says the mRNA triggered antibodies will continue to be made and/or remain active even as long as such antibodies acquired by the body naturally.
The cytokine response is triggered when a very large number of cells are already infected by the time the immune response kicks in. So you should have probably less risk of a future cytokine storm should you be exposed to COVID later on, since your body is already primed to kill the virus before it gets out of control.
The question regarding the risks of the vaccine vs. the disease for those who are young is on point, but you should recall that everyone now young will be old. Having known someone who almost died after first contracting chicken pox at age 18, that is not a trivial matter.
Son and daughter in law got covid last week. Late 30s. Both tested positive. She is one year out, double mastectomy, breast cancer survivor, chemo but not radiation. Extreme concern for her immune system. Two kids, both tested negative. I put them on to the EVMS protocol weeks ago, they bought the horse paste, they have been following it. With positive symptoms, everyone went on recommended 5 day dosing of horse paste.
Three - four days of typical relatively minor symptoms, loss of smell, foggy brain, head ache, pressure behind the eyes, flu like feeling. Now a week out, feeling much better, could go to work but in quarantine.
Did Ivermectin help them, possible save my daughter in law. Can't say for certain, but damn glad they had it.
Case No. 2 - my wife and I, both 68, good health, she a PA with extensive work in live and dead medicine (former chief of Medico-legal Death Investigations). She - opposed to the vaccine. Me - agree with all the reasoning that it is an experimental drug.
Last week we both got first shot of the Moderna. Why? Because 1) there is pretty good evidence it may keep us out of the hospital if we get covid. 2) May help us against the commie a-holes who want to restrict our freedom to travel. Mine was reason 1, her’s was reason 2.
Covid is a purposeful medical, social, and political disease. Don't let one facet of it overtake the real world impacts of the other facets. You have to weigh the pros and cons in a different way then you are use to doing.
Is that right? No. Is it fair? No. Does the government generally want you dead? Yes.
Well suck it up Buttercup and deal with it. Make your decision and leave anyone else’s the hell alone.
I'm still against taking ANY vaccination for Covid-19, but Novavax's will be the ONLY one I take as long as it's not a mRNA type.
Rd later.