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To: MtnClimber

Oh this will bring out the big pharma pro vax FR shills, in particular Dr Gas(lighter).

Masters degrees in nursing right here with 24 years of practice. I will not receive this vaccine for the same reasons. No one, NO ONE, can tell you for certain these vaccines are safe. The studies are not there, so if they tell you the jab is safe, they’re speculating (at best).

Sorry. I’ll roll the dice on my own immune system, which I supplement with Vitamin C, Zinc, and Vitamin D3 every day. Hard pass on this unknown witches’ brew.


7 posted on 02/15/2021 4:48:35 AM PST by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel & a deplorable. )
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To: surroundedbyblue; All

What is your opinion on the J&J vaccine? I’ve read that it is significantly different from the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.


11 posted on 02/15/2021 4:52:31 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

The doctor that treated my 95 year old father who in December was diagnosed (by 2nd of 2 tests, the amplified version) with Covid19, in confidence, told me exactly what you said.

She was not trying to talk people out of taking the vaccine, but after 2 minutes of conversation she closed the door and told me what you did.

She prescribed (3x) 3 day dose) Ivermectin, Zinc, and heavy D-3. My father was very sick, but not suffering heavy chest infection. He recovered from Covid. He still has lots of health issues, but he did recover from what was diagnosed as Covid19.

He will not be taking the vaccine.


15 posted on 02/15/2021 5:00:30 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: surroundedbyblue

What concerns me is potential for ADE or cytokine issues down road with vaccine. Had virus, so the issue is trying to point out unknowns to family. Vaccine may be a low risk, but carries high consequence if risk is realized. For something that would not kill a single one of them as they are young and healthy I find it absurd they consider it. But everyone wants to return to normal state...

Family believes I’ve gone nuts for my questioning.


17 posted on 02/15/2021 5:05:27 AM PST by zek157
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To: surroundedbyblue

Usually you ping people when you bring their name up.
Second I am glad you have a masters degree jn nursing. It would seem to me they you would take a more scientific and less emotional approach to the data but to each their own

I appreciate knowing that. I am predictable enough to answer the lies spread by people seeking their 24 hours of fame

Please feel free to disparage me and call me names as it does not bother me. I am millions of other physicians know the truth snd wish to see people safe. Those in the medical profession who don’t want people safe I suppose should take a long hard look at themselves

But there is no point again repeating the facts. It is an echo chamber. But it is clear that an echo chamber exists within a small minority of the medical community to spread false information for whatever reason. It appears to be that you are projecting what gas lighting is as I quote data and evidence based medicine while you quote opinion

However the majority of Americans are lining up to the the vaccine and happy to do so while you and your peers continue to argue things that simply are not true in and attempt to prevent this disease from ending

Finally I took an oath. As a nurse you did not. At the end of the day and I know this will draw sharp criticism but you will not be able to refute it, my degree as a physician establishes a superior expertise to yours as a nurse. I am sure you are a fine nurse. I am sure you mean well. But your attacks are like a third grader telling a professor they are equal. They are not

I appreciate learning your opinion even in the vitriol as it tells quite a story about you and your confidence in your opinion. Perhaps you should stick to the debate instead of the personal attacks

Blessings on your day.


18 posted on 02/15/2021 5:07:15 AM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: surroundedbyblue
My wife is a nurse and agrees with everything you said.

What concerns me is the author is advocating elderly get the vaccine, but news reports seem to point to the elderly as having more side effects from the vaccine and more related deaths? Why encourage those over 60 when the vaccine is risky for them? I am over 60, had COVID, it was not the virus so much as it's after effects that bothered me. It was like 10 days of a bad flu. But, weeks after you can still feel the effects. I am not interested in an mRNA vaccine.

19 posted on 02/15/2021 5:07:49 AM PST by OldGoatCPO (No Caitiff Choir of Angels will sing for me.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Dr gaslighter as you call him has more than a masters degree in nursing and more than 24 years in practice. i believe i saw 4 years of medical school 4 years of residency and several years of fellowship training. While you may be proud of your educational accomplishments and experience you look petty denigrating the experience of others with more experience than you. i believe you said you are a crna? How much virology, infectious disease and immunology did you get in medical school? oh that’s right none. Because you didn’t go. How many iICU patients have attended on? Oh that’s right. None. How many covid patients? let me guess - none. You want to argue about vaccines that’s one thing. You want to tout your credentials while denigrating those far more learned than you? You look the fool you are


43 posted on 02/15/2021 5:39:51 AM PST by Mom MD
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To: surroundedbyblue

“Oh this will bring out the big pharma pro vax FR shills, in particular Dr Gas(lighter).”


LOL. You neglected to mention that these ‘vaccines’ are wholly-experimental and only authorized under the emergency declared by the ‘crisis’ created by media/government/pharma...


64 posted on 02/15/2021 6:22:23 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Your thinking is similar to mine. No nursing or med degrees but more than a passing knowledge. Your regimen of Z, C and D is what I have been doing, too. Nice to get confirmation!


91 posted on 02/15/2021 6:53:45 AM PST by Oystir
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To: surroundedbyblue

Covid vaccine chart showing which use aborted cells in production or testing

https://lozierinstitute.org/update-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-and-abortion-derived-cell-lines/


153 posted on 02/15/2021 10:10:00 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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To: surroundedbyblue

I’ll roll the dice on my own immune system, which I supplement with Vitamin C, Zinc, and Vitamin D3 every day. Hard pass on this unknown witches’ brew.

I have figured the same thing and you and my virologist BIL reinforce that view. Add to that my doc who took the mRNA vaccine and says he wishes he had not now recommending I hold out for the J&J vaccine as does my BIL, if anything at all.

First do no harm. Some say this is a semi-proven vaccine based on work done in HIV etc. I have not seen any trials of those either. As the article mentions, if a vaccine for corona virus were this easy why hasn’t the common cold been vanquished?

No Sale.


164 posted on 02/15/2021 3:27:01 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (I have a burning hatred of anyone who would vote for a demented, pedophile, crook and a commie whore)
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