Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

To: patriot torch
This is all based on VAERS. VAERS takes reports from anyone and has NO information to say that a vaccine CAUSED any event listed. How do we know that? Because the VAERS website tells us that, explicitly, multiple times. It's all over the website:

"VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem"

"Anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS."

"VAERS accepts reports from anyone. Patients, parents, caregivers and healthcare providers (HCP) are encouraged to report adverse events after vaccination to VAERS even if it is not clear that the vaccine caused the adverse event."

"Are all adverse events reported to VAERS caused by vaccines?"

"No. Some adverse events might be caused by vaccination and others might be coincidental and not related to vaccination. Just because an adverse event happened after a person received a vaccine does not mean the vaccine caused the adverse event."

"VAERS accepts reports of adverse events following vaccination without judging the cause or seriousness of the event. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused an adverse event, but it is good at detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of reporting that might indicate possible safety problems that need a closer look."

https://vaers.hhs.gov/about.html

https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html

Any attempt to use VAERS as a catalog of problems caused by a vaccine is dishonest. It's fake news. VAERS is merely a reporting system for anything bad that happens at any point later than vaccine dose administration. If you fall down the stairs and die, that's entered into VAERS. If you slip on some ice and break your hip, that gets entered into VAERS. Everything goes into VAERS. The purpose of VAERS is to provide researchers with enough data points to single out rare problems with a vaccine from random events that happen normally.

If you take a population of 30 million people - particularly if that population skews elderly - some of them are going to fall, some of them are going to have heart attacks, and some of them are going to die. With or without a vaccine. Claiming everything in VAERS is because of a vaccine is fake news. It's a lie.

51 posted on 02/14/2021 1:37:27 PM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: 2aProtectsTheRest

“VAERS is a passive reporting system,”

PASSIVE, not mandatory. That is a key detail when attempting to use their stats.


52 posted on 02/14/2021 1:59:24 PM PST by BiglyCommentary
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies ]

To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Quote~This is all based on VAERS. VAERS takes reports from anyone and has NO information to say that a vaccine CAUSED any event listed. How do we know that? Because the VAERS website tells us that, explicitly, multiple times. It’s all over the website:
“VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem”

“Anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS.”

“VAERS accepts reports from anyone. Patients, parents, caregivers and healthcare providers (HCP) are encouraged to report adverse events after vaccination to VAERS even if it is not clear that the vaccine caused the adverse event.”


It appears that your calling into question the source case statistics of VAERS? So what is their source you ask...

As I posted initially:

These statistics are compiled from HHS at vaers.hhs.gov

You state:

“VAERS accepts reports from anyone. Patients, parents, caregivers and healthcare providers (HCP) are encouraged to report adverse events after vaccination to VAERS even if it is not clear that the vaccine caused the adverse event.”

So I challenge you to deny the foolowing....

Physicians and hospitals are encouraged to report ANY deaths related to covid. even if it is not clear that the COVID VIRUS caused the adverse event.

See, the same standard can be applied to the covid statistics you people present like a wall street ticker tape scroll.


62 posted on 02/14/2021 3:44:31 PM PST by patriot torch (Ashlie Babbitt-say her name)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies ]

To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Quote~”Are all adverse events reported to VAERS caused by vaccines?”


Are all covid related deaths and hospital admissions caused directly by Covid, or by unrelated factors such as age and comorbidities?

Have there been reports of fatal motorcycle accidents reported as covid-cause of death?

And yes, it was corrected, but only after it was hilighted to show the cdc’s manipulation

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-questions-raised-after-fatal-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-covid-19-death

Thats just one example of many which remain however on the books.

If a tax accountant used this type of manipulated statistics, they would have their license revoked and be charged with rico offenses and racketeering.


63 posted on 02/14/2021 3:54:01 PM PST by patriot torch (Ashlie Babbitt-say her name)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies ]

To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Quote~”No. Some adverse events might be caused by vaccination and others might be coincidental and not related to vaccination. Just because an adverse event happened after a person received a vaccine does not mean the vaccine caused the adverse event.”

“VAERS accepts reports of adverse events following vaccination without judging the cause or seriousness of the event. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused an adverse event, but it is good at detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of reporting that might indicate possible safety problems that need a closer look.”


So do we agree that if the covid statistics were subjected to the same standards of verification that the overhyped statistics would be lowered greatly?


64 posted on 02/14/2021 3:56:39 PM PST by patriot torch (Ashlie Babbitt-say her name)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies ]

To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Quote~Any attempt to use VAERS as a catalog of problems caused by a vaccine is dishonest. It’s fake news. VAERS is merely a reporting system for anything bad that happens at any point later than vaccine dose administration. If you fall down the stairs and die, that’s entered into VAERS. If you slip on some ice and break your hip, that gets entered into VAERS. Everything goes into VAERS. The purpose of VAERS is to provide researchers with enough data points to single out rare problems with a vaccine from random events that happen normally.

If you take a population of 30 million people - particularly if that population skews elderly - some of them are going to fall, some of them are going to have heart attacks, and some of them are going to die. With or without a vaccine. Claiming everything in VAERS is because of a vaccine is fake news. It’s a lie.


Yup, I don’t disagree. Its an open invitation for data manipulation. I certainly agree.

Now, using your own words quoted above, lets play a game shall we? For every mention you cite vaccine, simply replace vaccine with covid virus. For every mention of VAERS simply replace that with cdc.


65 posted on 02/14/2021 4:02:38 PM PST by patriot torch (Ashlie Babbitt-say her name)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies ]

To: 2aProtectsTheRest

You cite VAERS as “fake news”

Ok, I’ll humor you. Lets say VAERS is an outlet for fake news. At worse its a gov. Source of disinformation. So what to do? Research. Given the nearly unchallenged (due to censorship) the opposition resources are plentiful. No harm, no foul.

Lets move on to fake news regarding covid cases and vaccines. Vaccine producers receive immunity from medical and financial damages contributed to their product. Now you tell me, which source of fake news is most dangerous to the consumer?


67 posted on 02/14/2021 4:17:42 PM PST by patriot torch (Ashlie Babbitt-say her name)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson