Posted on 02/14/2021 8:42:43 AM PST by patriot torch
As of January 11 2021, the openvaers report has compiled to date the following record of covid vaccine related injuries and deaths.
These statistics are compiled from HHS at vaers.hhs.gov
Extrapolated from these reports lists 12697 covid vaccine adverse event reports. For which the breakdown of these statistics is as follows:
Through Feb 5 2021
653 deaths
1,382 hospitalizations
2,792 urgent care
1,654 office visits
154 anaphalaxis
145 Bell's Palsey
(I'm certain this will be attacked by the usual perp's but let the data speak for itself)
Quote~Moderna said this:
There is typically an extremely high rate of attrition for product candidates across categories of medicines proceeding through clinical trials. These product candidates may fail to show the desired safety and efficacy profile in later stages of clinical trials despite having progressed through nonclinical studies and initial clinical trials.
A number of companies in the biopharmaceutical industry have suffered significant setbacks in later-stage clinical trials due to lack of efficacy or unacceptable safety profiles, notwithstanding promising results in earlier trials.
Most investigational medicines that commence clinical trials are never approved as products
Interesting to note the lack of standards applied to these experimental vaccines.
When hcq is used in late stages of this disease, and due to critical condition prior to administering hcq, and the patient succumbs to geriatric disease or comorbitities, then they claim hcq is killing people.
When these experimental vaccines fail, they respond by saying, no big deal. We expect it due to existing chronic conditions.
Quote~This is all based on VAERS. VAERS takes reports from anyone and has NO information to say that a vaccine CAUSED any event listed. How do we know that? Because the VAERS website tells us that, explicitly, multiple times. It’s all over the website:
“VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem”
“Anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS.”
“VAERS accepts reports from anyone. Patients, parents, caregivers and healthcare providers (HCP) are encouraged to report adverse events after vaccination to VAERS even if it is not clear that the vaccine caused the adverse event.”
It appears that your calling into question the source case statistics of VAERS? So what is their source you ask...
As I posted initially:
These statistics are compiled from HHS at vaers.hhs.gov
You state:
“VAERS accepts reports from anyone. Patients, parents, caregivers and healthcare providers (HCP) are encouraged to report adverse events after vaccination to VAERS even if it is not clear that the vaccine caused the adverse event.”
So I challenge you to deny the foolowing....
Physicians and hospitals are encouraged to report ANY deaths related to covid. even if it is not clear that the COVID VIRUS caused the adverse event.
See, the same standard can be applied to the covid statistics you people present like a wall street ticker tape scroll.
Quote~”Are all adverse events reported to VAERS caused by vaccines?”
Are all covid related deaths and hospital admissions caused directly by Covid, or by unrelated factors such as age and comorbidities?
Have there been reports of fatal motorcycle accidents reported as covid-cause of death?
And yes, it was corrected, but only after it was hilighted to show the cdc’s manipulation
Thats just one example of many which remain however on the books.
If a tax accountant used this type of manipulated statistics, they would have their license revoked and be charged with rico offenses and racketeering.
Quote~”No. Some adverse events might be caused by vaccination and others might be coincidental and not related to vaccination. Just because an adverse event happened after a person received a vaccine does not mean the vaccine caused the adverse event.”
“VAERS accepts reports of adverse events following vaccination without judging the cause or seriousness of the event. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused an adverse event, but it is good at detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of reporting that might indicate possible safety problems that need a closer look.”
So do we agree that if the covid statistics were subjected to the same standards of verification that the overhyped statistics would be lowered greatly?
Quote~Any attempt to use VAERS as a catalog of problems caused by a vaccine is dishonest. It’s fake news. VAERS is merely a reporting system for anything bad that happens at any point later than vaccine dose administration. If you fall down the stairs and die, that’s entered into VAERS. If you slip on some ice and break your hip, that gets entered into VAERS. Everything goes into VAERS. The purpose of VAERS is to provide researchers with enough data points to single out rare problems with a vaccine from random events that happen normally.
If you take a population of 30 million people - particularly if that population skews elderly - some of them are going to fall, some of them are going to have heart attacks, and some of them are going to die. With or without a vaccine. Claiming everything in VAERS is because of a vaccine is fake news. It’s a lie.
Yup, I don’t disagree. Its an open invitation for data manipulation. I certainly agree.
Now, using your own words quoted above, lets play a game shall we? For every mention you cite vaccine, simply replace vaccine with covid virus. For every mention of VAERS simply replace that with cdc.
I’m not sure why it took 4 separate posts to get here, but you’re comparing apples and oranges.
I’m talking about VAERS, which is the Federal government’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. The system is specifically designed to accept reports of any adverse event which occurs at any time after a vaccine is given. It explicitly states that the data in VAERS is NOT causally linked. That’s all that I’ve said about it. There have been zero deaths causally linked to COVID-19 vaccines. There have been a small number (about 1 per 400,000 for Moderna and 1 per 100,000 for Pfizer) of severe allergic reactions from people early on before the warning was given to be especially cautious if your medical history includes a problem with severe reactions. However, all of the reactions observed were immediately treated and everyone recovered. Typically such reactions are treated with epinephrine.
If we agree on that, then great.
You cite VAERS as “fake news”
Ok, I’ll humor you. Lets say VAERS is an outlet for fake news. At worse its a gov. Source of disinformation. So what to do? Research. Given the nearly unchallenged (due to censorship) the opposition resources are plentiful. No harm, no foul.
Lets move on to fake news regarding covid cases and vaccines. Vaccine producers receive immunity from medical and financial damages contributed to their product. Now you tell me, which source of fake news is most dangerous to the consumer?
Quote~As of today, there have been zero deaths causally linked to any COVID-19 vaccine in the US or the UK.
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They are. Each individual death requires an investigation. It requires that a US Standard Certificate of Death be filled out, which includes the results of the investigation in Section 32 Part 1, which is where the doctor describes the chain of morbid events leading directly to death from the underlying cause of death to the immediate cause of death.
The US Standard Certificate of Death is here and the official CDC guidelines on classifying deaths as COVID-19 are here.
From those guidelines:
"When determining whether COVID–19 played a role in the cause of death, follow the CDC clinical criteria for evaluating a person under investigation for COVID–19 and, where possible, conduct appropriate laboratory testing using guidance provided by CDC or local health authorities."
And:
"In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible."
And:
"All causal sequences reported in Part I should be logical in terms of time and pathology. For example, reporting “COVID–19” due to “chronic obstructive pulmonary disease” in Part I would be an illogical sequence as COPD cannot cause an infection, although it may increase susceptibility to or exacerbate an infection. In this instance, COVID–19 would be reported in Part I as the UCOD and the COPD in Part II. While there can be reasonable differences in medical opinion concerning a sequence that led to a particular death, the causes should always be provided in a logical sequence from the immediate cause on line a. back to the UCOD on the lowest line used in Part I."
I don't have any particular problem with that. That's common practice for any death reporting. And it requires the use of both testing and medical knowledge along with in-depth investigation as part of the death reporting.
VAERS requires NONE of that. You and I can each go on and submit 10,000 reports of people dying due to the smallpox vaccine right now. Or we can report that we got the COVID-19 vaccine and experienced insomnia and bleeding from the eyes. It's the Wikipedia of vaccine reports. And it says right there on the website that the data is NOT causally linked, has NO investigation performed as part of the VAERS data collection, and has NO confirmation. It specifically states that the data is often inaccurate and incomplete.
So does VAERS stack up against a US Standard Certificate of Death filled out by a doctor or a medical examiner? No, it does not. And conflating the two very different standards of evidence gathering and investigation would be dishonest.
Quote~And you are welcome to spend your time doing whatever it is you do. I, however, am going to spent this beautiful valentines evening with the love of my life and my soulmate. Please don’t mistake my silence as I sign of for anything else than I have erred things to do this evening.
I wish you the same and a blessed Sunday night.
Thank you, and a blessed Sunday night to you as well, even as I multi task the same accomplishments you have set out to do.
If you had actual evidence of a completed investigation that causally linked a COVID-19 vaccine to a death in the US or the UK, you would post that in a link because it would prove me wrong.
But since you have no evidence to back your claim, you spam “fake news” instead. People with evidence demonstrating that they’re correct share that evidence. People without any proof just yell in the hopes that it will somehow make their statements more credible.
Spoiler alert: it doesn’t work.
VAERS is a data collection tool used by HHS and the CDC to find rare and unexpected adverse events from vaccines by accepting lots of reports - most of which are noise - and carefully sifting through to determine whether there is any useful information in there. VAERS is not fake news. The use of VAERS to make claims about vaccines causing an event logged in VAERS is fake news.
Quote~I’m not sure why it took 4 separate posts to get here, but you’re comparing apples and oranges.
I’m talking about VAERS, which is the Federal government’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. The system is specifically designed to accept reports of any adverse event which occurs at any time after a vaccine is given. It explicitly states that the data in VAERS is NOT causally linked. That’s all that I’ve said about it. There have been zero deaths causally linked to COVID-19 vaccines. There have been a small number (about 1 per 400,000 for Moderna and 1 per 100,000 for Pfizer) of severe allergic reactions from people early on before the warning was given to be especially cautious if your medical history includes a problem with severe reactions. However, all of the reactions observed were immediately treated and everyone recovered. Typically such reactions are treated with epinephrine.
If we agree on that, then great.
And my argument is that the same standards be applied to both government reporting websites.
If we agree on that then great.
Right now I think Israel has a good treatment on the market. As for the others currently in use NO!
That would break VAERS because the only people who would be able to report any adverse effects from vaccines would be doctors who have performed a thorough medical investigation to causally link the vaccine to the adverse event.
The purpose of VAERS is to catch the stuff that a doctor might otherwise miss or dismiss because he’s given this same shot 1,000 times and nobody’s ever complained of that before. But over the course of 100 million shots, if 500 people experience something and either they or a nurse or a friend or whoever can then report it, patterns begin to emerge and investigations can lead to warnings for people with specific medical issues.
A US Standard Certificate of Death is an official document. It’s there to record what actually happened and what actually caused death.
VAERS is an open reporting system to record any adverse event that happened later, regardless of whether it’s actually related to a vaccine or not.
Israel leads the world in COVID-19 vaccination.
Here’s a recent article on what they’re finding: https://www.timesofisrael.com/hmo-sees-only-544-covid-infections-among-523000-fully-vaccinated-israelis/
“An Israeli healthcare provider that has vaccinated half a million people with both doses of the Pfizer vaccine says that only 544 people — or 0.1% — have been subsequently diagnosed with the coronavirus, there have been four severe cases, and no people have died.
That means the effectiveness rate stands at 93 percent, Maccabi Healthcare Services announced on Thursday, after comparing its immunized members to a “diverse” control group of unvaccinated members.”
Example....
Local hospital is all but shut down due to government regulations concerning covid guidelines. Hospitals are forced to pause on “elective procedures and surgeries” (and this includes many life saving procedures) not to mention, denying local hospitals their bread and butter to survive. Extend these shut downs long enough and as a matter of survival hospitals are forced to play the game the government forces upon them.
Lets ponder a viable example....
A homeless man is involved in a hit and run. Him being the victim, a pedestrian. He’s in serious condition albeit having no insurance and needing extensive medical care. Due to covid lock downs there are limited beds and resources available. As an outlier they discover the patient has covid. Perhaps spread within the confines of the medical facility he now inhabits.
The hospital is faced with an ethical situation. But it involves repayment for services rendered and into the forseeable future.
Question, is there a financial incentive for the hospital to claim covid as a major cause of medical treatment and receive greater compensation from the government?
Heres another example...
A 90 year old patient is transferred from the nursing home to the hospital. She has been in poor health for years with multiple serious health issues. Its been predicted for weeks that the resident would not survive much longer.
Oh, did I mention, this person, as bad luck would have it is a resident of New York state.
So this person is admitted to the hospital. The first test they administer is a covid test and she comes back positive. Within hours she succumbs.
Due to financial incentives for the hospital, do they list the cause of death as from covid?
You know they do. They’re forced to play the game even if white lies are to be told. Its based on medical opinion anyways right? Subject to financial pressures.
You sir have just tapped the root of the problem. UNgainly sources of alleged honest, expert opinion.
Take for instance the AAFP which you used here as a source to back up your claims and since I recently, no kidding, came across the same organization, will share that information with everyone out there.
Pardon my reliance on links to provide the background for my concern.
Their homepage to assure we are referring to the same outfit.
Their worrisome post from May 22, 2020 expressing fears of "Imminent Primary Care Closures" caused by covid-19.
Their recent post I'm sure you are aware of, https://www.aafp.org/news/health-of-the-public/20210108covidvaers.html made me wonder A) if they had a role in the passage of the Care Act and B) were they recipients of tax supported funding themselves and I came across a couple of interesting facts while looking for the answers.
Regarding A:
“The American Academy of Family Physicians is discouraged by the Administration’s continued interest in undermining the Affordable Care Act, especially during a pandemic.
“In effect for a decade, the Affordable Care Act has provided needed patient protections and access to care. The return to pre-existing condition exclusions, annual and lifetime limits, and young adults without access to coverage on their parents’ health insurance plans represents a major step backwards in the shared goal of ensuring access to quality care.
“We are encouraged to see that Congress is taking a more productive path to pursue reforms to the law that builds on its successes. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Enhancement Act (H.R. 1425) would make needed improvements to the existing law by expanding access to health care coverage and strengthening patient protections.
“Now more than ever, in the face of a pandemic, we should be working to build on what works and not eliminate a law that has provided health care coverage to millions of Americans.”
In December, their efforts paid off as https://www.aafp.org/news/media-center/statements/covid-year-end-relief.html celebrated the medical industry's windfall. Last month https://www.aafp.org/family-physician/patient-care/current-hot-topics/recent-outbreaks/covid-19/covid-19-financial-relief.html posted their involvement in the wealth redistribution.
B got strange.
Like I wrote earlier I wondered if they enriched themselves off the backs of the taxpayer, pardon the hyperbole; I learned that from reading democrat speeches. I didn't actually write that but it crossed my mind. Anyway, I did a search but no record of the Leawood KS based organization showed up.
One I thought strange did. https://covidbailouttracker.com/company/aafp-inc-san-bruno-ca-94066">. I searched that address and got this picture. https://www.trulia.com/p/ca/san-bruno/656-5th-ave-san-bruno-ca-94066--2082777106
AAFP could be working at home to avoid catching a phantom, I guess, but it gets stranger. Well, maybe not for someone who believes the BS, but I think it's kind of strange.
You've already noticed, I'm sure, the Congressional District: CA-14 and Loan Date: 2020-05-26 notation on that covid bailout page
CA-14 is Jackie Speier's district and in Ballotpedia's words, ...is an average Democratic member of Congress, meaning she will vote with the Democratic Party on the majority of bills.
What I found surprising is after her c-span interview of her disastrous encounter in Jonestown 05:41Guyana is in South America. It was once held by the British and then by the Danes, I believe. And it's in the northern-eastern part of South America. And it became independent and once it became independent, the company -- the country became very much a Marxist regime. And at the time, Prime Minister Burnham was the leader of the country.
06:10Jones was attracted to that country and to him in part because of the embrace of Marxism which is something that Jones embraced as well, also because the government was willing to -- I don't know if they leased the land or gave him land in the middle of the country where the jungles were deep and it was an opportunity for them to build their commune.
27:42 And I wanted it to be a survival guide to people to be able to overcome obstacles that come their way. And also, a political guide for women in politics, because there are a lot of things that I learned in the process of my elective career that I thought would be helpful to those who came after me...
I thought she would be more open to the American people who discern danger and use peaceful means to end that danger.
Yet, our efforts are thwarted in typical forceful marxist manner by her own party.
And Ms Speier went right along with them.
Quote~If you had actual evidence of a completed investigation that causally linked a COVID-19 vaccine to a death in the US or the UK, you would post that in a link because it would prove me wrong.
But since you have no evidence to back your claim, you spam “fake news” instead. People with evidence demonstrating that they’re correct share that evidence. People without any proof just yell in the hopes that it will somehow make their statements more credible.
Spoiler alert: it doesn’t work.
You know as well as I do that any opposition to the gestapo is regulated, attacked and censored. Therfore since the evidence has been removed, it doesn’t exist right? Looks like the conditions favor your argument. Imagine that.
Actually, the VAERS does list deaths. I quoted them. So your saying every one of them is unrelated to vaccine injection? And you can prove that? Or it just sounds favorable to your argument?
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