And then have Time Enough at Last.
Posted on 02/01/2021 4:33:28 AM PST by EBH
Video by Professor Dolorus Cahill, Molecular Biologist and Immunologist explaining the risk of the vaccine and a potential side effect of the triggering the cytokine storm in the body.
Not everyone's body will react this way, but it is a known risk factor since 2012.
Video at link for now.
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How long does the vaccine work?
If the disease itself does not confer lifelong immunity, then how would a vaccine?
Or do we need constant, lifelong booster shots?
People get flu shots ever flu season. Not all disease is like smallpox where one shot is good for life.
Jan_Sobieski wrote: “If you are so confident, why not allow people the right of waiting for long term results?”
Nothing like fighting strawmen. No one is denying your right to refuse the vaccine. There is no reason though to cite sources with little or no credibility to scare people from life saving vaccines.
To be determined. I would say if you are at significant risk or live with those that are, consider getting the vaccine now. if you are at low risk and can live with the small but real chance of getting debilitating illness even as a low risk individual, consider waiting a bit and see what shakes out. Everyone has to do their own risk benefit analysis. For me the benefit is worth it. For others it may not be
I asked him about HCQ..he said..it's not working on acutely ill folks..in his Hosp...
He is doing the SOC...that most are doing,,,for the acutely ill.
HCQ for those not infected may work...to ward off the COVID...
Who knows.
It's a strange virus...affects people differently. I've seen 80 yr. old people with it...and they recover very nicely.
Jan_Sobieski wrote: “Calling someone “trash” for entertaining the warnings of America’s Frontline Doctors (and others) is a serious attack on us.”
Accusing someone of something they did not do is even more of a serious attack. Where did I call anyone trash and where did I even mention America’s Frontline Doctors.
Yes, but does the immunity to the flu after you’ve had it quit after a few months?
Jan_Sobieski wrote: “In other words, she’s a nutcase and anyone who believes her rubbish is also.
Clearly, I called her views ‘rubbish’ and I stand behind my accusation that she is a nutcase but I deny calling you ‘trash’.
Great article on AJM accepeting HCQ
I believe that was right —the 1960’s shot was dead virus. But once I HAD the measles, and boy did I, I am not sure why I needed a vaccine.
I will just note she is citing work from 2012. So things can certainly have changed as research continued.
But...I say this with all due respect...
This entire pandemic we have been mislead from Fauci saying we didn’t need masks to now saying we need 2 masks? From HCQ was incredibly dangerous to it now being safe to prescribe for mild symptoms and now these vaccines approved for emergency use. We have watched the numbers skyrocket even during lockdowns and all this hysteria over a virus with a 99%+ better recovery rate? How many people would have survived it given HCQ when they first showed symptoms?
There’s lots of questions that need to be answered. The scientific community has not been forthcoming with information months into this pandemic and neither has the government.
I happen to be a person of scientific inclination. I have worked in massive chemical and radiological contaminated areas and have written the work plans to keep workers safe in those environments. All I am pointing out is I do know fairly well how to read scientific literature, their results, and the implications when applied to real life.
We do know this is not a vaccine. It simply prevents manifestations of symptoms and you can still get/have Covid. A nurse here on FR called that a myth too, until a doctor came along and corrected them. The vaccine doesn’t protect others from contracting the disease from you. It prevents symptoms up to the effective rate. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2021/01/419691/covid-19-vaccine-fact-vs-fiction-expert-weighs-common-fears
Yes, because the flu mutates and change all the time.
And then have Time Enough at Last.
The vaccines produce a stronger and longer lasting immune response in many individuals; particularly those who’ve had a mild case of COVID-19.
I have not watched the video, but suspect it is about Antibody Dependent Enhancement and Pathogenic Priming. These are totally valid concerns potentially applicable to ANY coronavirus vaccine (not just mRNA). One will not know if the worst consequences will occur until a significantly different mutated strain comes along (something that is impossible to test in the lab at this time).
Everyone already has that right. Even Joe Biden and the European Union have said no mandatory vaccination. A few fringe people with no power to change anything or set policy have expressed their person opinions that the vaccines should be mandatory, but no one in any position of authority has done so. No one here on FR has (to my knowledge) done so. Make your own choice about what's best for you. Just don't try to use misinformation to scare others into changing their decisions.
"if they are wrong, then we can call them Antivaxx Pornographers"
I don't care about the names we call fearmongers 10 years from now. I care about people TODAY who want to make their own informed decisions about what's best for their own health. They deserve facts; not fearmongering, misinformation, insinuations of what MIGHT happen or COULD happen one day with zero evidence to suggest it WILL happen, etc. Those are the tactics of fear. And it's wrong.
"3 months has never been enough time to interpret medical results of vaccines."
Trials have been ongoing for nearly a year now. We have plenty of data on how well they work, how safe they are, side effects, etc. There is a risk of serious allergic reaction to both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, particularly for those who've experienced severe allergic reactions in the past. That risk is ~1/100,000 for Pfizer and ~1/1,000,000 for Moderna. And those reactions are quickly and easily resolved, typically with a shot of epinephrine.
Double check the numbers (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm). That delta between 2019 and 2020 is up to ~472,000 now.
It’s climbing still because most jurisdictions don’t report their deaths up to the Fed right away. Many take 8+ weeks. We won’t have the initial numbers complete for another month or so. Until then, expect a slow, but continuous climb for 2020’s total deaths.
The numbers are what they are. We should be less focused on precisely how many it is and ask WHY the numbers are so high. Because that inevitably leads to things like Governor Cuomo and Governor Newsom (among others) forcing nursing homes to accept known-infected patients, causing the unnecessary deaths of tens of thousands of defenseless seniors. We should be indicting people for stuff like that; not quibbling over 1 or 2% of the death numbers.
Yes it does, because Influenza is a highly unstable set of viruses with multiple strains. That’s also why the flu shot is only typically 40-60% effective: the flu changes while the shots are being produced. The third generation vaccines (mRNA platform) hold promise to fix that since they can be rapidly adjusted and mass produced. We can finally get ahead of Influenza.
Also, the immunity doesn’t technically “quit”. What happens is that the structures that trigger an immune response change with genetic drift. When you become infected, your dendritic cells take samples of the invader to the lymph nodes where T-cells and B-cells are produced to combat it. If the samples don’t look the same because the invader has changed enough since the last time you got infected, that process has to restart from scratch.
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