It’s not only possible, it’s certainly true. We don’t need opinions from anyone; we have numbers now. There have been about 20 million people vaccinated and about 26.5 million confirmed COVID infections in the US, close enough numbers for comparison. There are some 450,000 reported deaths from Covid. The number of deaths among those vaccinated is in the hundreds (about 200 last I looked at the CDC’s adverse vaccine reaction reporting database). Even if we assume inflated Covid death numbers and only use 10% of the reported deaths as the actual number, that’s about 45,000 deaths among those confirmed to have the virus vs. about 200 among those vaccinated. I’m not sure how anyone can argue rationally that Covid is safer.
Even if you want to argue that non vaccination is safer than vaccination, the numbers say otherwise. Assume a sample of 20 million individuals vaccinated and the same number not. The reported infection rate among the population is about 7%. Survival rates for healthy individuals are about 99.95%. This gives about 700 expected deaths in our non vaccinated population.
In our vaccinated population we expect about 200 deaths directly. We expect only 5% of the number of deaths from Covid that we saw n the non vaccinated population since the vaccine is 95% effective, or about 35 deaths, for a total of about 235 deaths — less than if we didn’t vaccinate this group.
Irrationality abounds, as always. Fear and ignorance motivate many. The rational argument is certainly in favor of vaccination for Covid, though.
Firstly, the number of deaths following vaccination is currently at 329 and thats last week’s numbers as the data lags about a week.
Second, you are correct that the COVID death numbers have been greatly inflated.
However, your argument in favor of vaccine by comparing actual COVID deaths assumes that COVID patients have been offered all treatment options. They have not. Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin have been withheld. And how many nursing homes have really been optimizing their residents’ immunity by administering vitamin supplements, specifically vitamin D3? Very few if any.
So when ALL THINGS are considered, the vaccine is not safer. And the vaccine isn’t even needed.
To me, the rational argument is, rather - for goodness sake, wait and see. I know a good number of folks who have had covid. None of them report more than a flu that left them wiped out. None of their doctors -and these were folks from 25 to 85, across the board - not one doctor did anything beyond prescribe bed rest, fluids and tylenol. And the vaxxes are all made with stem cells of aborted/ ie murdered infants. not for me.
But is only looking at a comparison of deaths between COVID and a mRNA vaccine giving you all the information you need to make an informed choice?
What about the possibility of long term autoimmune problems that synthetic mRNA vaccines have been known to create (ie. the one for SARS-Cov-1)? Many people these days have already are suffering with an autoimmune disease, such as diabetes. Should not people consider that if their body’s immune system is already not functioning properly, that taking an experimental vaccine is a greater risk than COVID?
Why should I believe your "rationale" versus the governments? Simply answered, I don't believe either one of you.
For one thing, last August the CDC itself, admitted in a report that only 6%, not 10% as you surmise, of the covid deaths are FROM covid itself. And since they admit to cheating and fudging with the numbers already, I discount the 450,000 deaths down to 400,000 just to error on the side of more accuracy.
That's only 24,000 total deaths over the last year. And 80% of those deaths are for people over 65 years old, an age when most people start dying of medical issues and old age anyway.
Your 200 deaths from the vaccine are only from the first month or so of offering it. Wait for a year to go by and see how high that 200 number goes.
This vaccine was rushed onto the the market and historically, vaccines for the flu have taken years to produce, long after the strain of the flu they were intended to address have gone away. Too many potential side effects for my liking.
I addition, the rollout and dispensing of this vaccine has been so amateurish and fraught with errors and missteps, that I don't trust the process at all. The is what happens to people's confidence in the government doing things they shouldn't be doing. Might as well be the DMV of medical care.
".... Irrationality abounds, as always. Fear and ignorance motivate many. The rational argument is certainly in favor of vaccination for Covid, though....."
You make yourself and the government out to be the rational ones and the rest of us are "ignorant and fearful" dummies out here who fell off the back of the turnip truck. Not so.
I would not believe anything the government tells us after watching that lying, snake-in-the-grass, weasel Fauci spewing whatever comes to his mind from one week to the next. He's a fraud. He doesn't know crap and I wouldn't believe a word of advice he offers.
And you have an inflated view of your own self importance, if you think you're the only rational one out there and your advice is the only one that's valid, regarding the vaccine. Again, not so.
For a disease that has only a 0.02% death rate, I'll take my chances with the virus. This pandemic has been politicized to be used to control and manipulate the population. I'm not going to be one of those the government intends to control.
And I'm not "irrational or fearful or ignorant" because I can think for myself and decide not to get the vaccine. Go right ahead but I'm not following the other lemmings off the cliff just to be part of the "in" crowd. Too much of that way of thinking goes on in this country as it is.
Thanks for doing the math for us. Too often people make assumptions without doing the math. If we sent people to the Moon based on assumptions, we would have had dead astronauts. Compare this China Virus as mankind’s trip to the moon. We can’t get it wrong with assumptions.
“It’s not only possible, but it’s also certainly true.”
I’m not sure you listened to the doctor. The only group at risk are those above 70 and even then the chance of survival is 95% — and that is with no treatment. So, the rate is much higher for those who are treated (remember President Trump and Mayor Guliana?)?
This vaccine is still labeled experimental by the FDA. I, for one, don’t want an experimental drug with unknown side effects placed inside of me for a .1% chance of dying! Especially when I look at the survival rate of the 8% of us that might become infected as noted below:
FROM CDC
AGE SURVIVAL
<20 — 99.997%
20 - 49 — 99.98%
50 - 69- 99.5
70 + 95% (no treatment)
26M of 321M have been infected, which is about 8%. 452,000 have passed if you believe the dramatically inflated numbers. That is .1% of the population.
So the geniuses, apparently including yourself, are telling us that with a .1% chance of death we should inject ourselves with an experimental vaccination. A vaccination for which we do not know what, if any, long term effects it might have. PLUS, the so-called experts are telling us we will still need protection and will need to wear masks.
I’m not sure where you went to school, but your argument is crazy. This hoax will go down as the biggest political and institutional boondoggle of all times!
Watch Dr. Gold's speech and listen to Dr. Merritt's interview.
They contradict everything you say.