Posted on 01/31/2021 10:33:23 AM PST by fireman15
January 29, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) — In an extraordinary recent presentation exposing “the serious and life-threatening disinformation campaign” being waged against the American people and the world, Dr. Simone Gold of the American Frontline Doctors (AFLD) laid out the facts on the Wuhan Virus, safe highly-effective treatments, and particularly what she calls “experimental biological agents,” otherwise referred to as the COVID-19 vaccines.
Dr. Gold referred listeners to two AFLD websites where they can access a white paper produced by the AFLD physicians that provides thorough explanations and references for her presentation. Gold concluded her presentation with a passionate appeal for everyone to sign and spread a petition against authoritarian movements aimed at coercing individuals into receiving these injections.
The group’s white paper brings an array of crucial information together and is clear, accessible and well-documented. It reflects not only a depth of competence and great facility on the topics but a resolute commitment to truth and a deep fidelity to the noble mission of providing sound medical care for patients while defending the common good at large.
Highlights of the paper and Dr. Gold’s presentation include the following:
Correct language is ‘critical’: Not COVID-19 ‘vaccines,’ but experimental biological agents Dr. Gold insists that even the designation of the new products as vaccines is inapprorpriate.
(Excerpt) Read more at lifesitenews.com ...
No vaccines use fetal stem cells in the manufacturing process for the vaccine itself. There would be no purpose to doing so. Fetal stem cells are sometimes (sadly and unnecessarily) used for research and development processes and/or testing processes. Never in manufacturing a product.
Also, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines made no use of any fetal stem cells during their research, development, testing, or production. However, after doses had already been tested and produced, a third party doing independent testing did use fetal stem cells in their testing. But again, this was only done after the product was already produced, bottled, and sitting in freezers waiting to ship to hospitals. It would be like if someone did testing on Tylenol with fetal stem cells. Would all Tylenol then be morally tainted by that? No, because someone taking your product and doing bad things with it doesn’t make the product itself bad.
Certainly other vaccine candidates (including those from Oxford/AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, and many others) DID use fetal stem cells in their R&D processes or their testing processes. And those vaccines are absolutely morally tainted by their decision to do that.
Look, I agree with most of what you said. The lockdowns were a stupid overreaction that played on people’s irrational fears and allowed unscrupulous politicians an excuse to exert previously unthought of levels of control over the population. There should have been no economy-killing lockdowns, no mask mandates (although wearing masks voluntarily is a good idea and does help to slow the spead of the virus to some degree), no stay at home orders, and no school closures. I can understand skepticism about the vaccine, but numbers are numbers. Regardless of any overreactions people have died and still are dying from Covid. The rate at which these deaths occur is demonstrably higher than the rate at which vaccinated people are dying. If you are seriously turning down the vaccine because of the risk involved, but are not concerned about being infected with Covid, then yes, that’s an irrational decision, no matter how you try to justify it.
The difference between what I’m saying and what the political leaders who took advantage of this pandemic did is that I am in no way advocating that anyone who doesn’t want the vaccine be forced into taking it. I advocate no mandates, but if you truly are concerned about risk, then by all means please take the vaccine— that’s the least risky option. It’s not my opinion that says so. It’s not Fauci or any of the experts; it’s simply what the data shows. I AM a scientist, unlike all the “follow the science” types. I understand the science. I am truly not pushing any agenda here; I sincerely hope that everyone will take actions that save lives. Vaccines save lives. Polio, smallpox and many other dangerous diseases have been wiped out with vaccines. Covid will be too eventually. I’d rather see the vast majority of people get vaccinated than see them die or develop serious health problems because of it. But, as always, the choice is yours.
I think the lockdowns will happen whether we all take the vaccine or not. It is based upon their timing and what they can impose upon society. When its usefulness is up, they will lift it.
“So, what happens when people refuse to get the vaccination? Do they get magic fairy dust and a quarter under the pillow for being such good brave kids? Does the Angel of Death pass over their household when the one finger salute is given over the door?”
The death rate is so low that I don’t really understand why a vaccine should be forced upon people. I have absolutely no objection to people taking the vaccine. I just want to be free to decide if and when I get it. There are other vaccines coming down the pike, and I might go for one of those which don’t use the new experimental mRNA technology.
I should have added that there are treatments available, too. One example is Hydroxychloroquine, if taken early. Doctors should also be letting people know what can help strengthen their immune system, such as having an adequate vitamin D level. For some reason we hear little about prevention and treatments. The emphasis is on the vaccine.
You did the right thing Old Guy. I’m old also and as far as I know I’ve never had the Flu and never had the vaccine. I’ll let the Lord decide my time of demise if possible (sometimes they decide for us.
I look at it as a race against time for the elimination of the C-Virus. The vaccines are one way to stop the C-Virus from replicating itself. See it as birth control. If a post exposure prophylaxis is created, that would be the mortal blow to the virus. The goal is to stop the C-Virus once and for all into extinction.
“I told them that this was an experimental program....”
You did the right thing! I am 76 with two prior serious medical conditions. I would not even think of taking the vaccine!
My doctors are all on the bandwagon, though, and strongly suggest I take the vaccine. They are on board with the BIG lie.
This reminds me of the ‘60s when we all had to have a concrete bombproof shelter and learn how to hide under our desks in case we were nuked by the USSR.
It is just another BIG LIE by the major institutions in this country. Don’t get me wrong, the virus is real. So was, ebola, swine flue, etc. This is a much bigger problem than just a virus vaccine.
“It’s not only possible, but it’s also certainly true.”
I’m not sure you listened to the doctor. The only group at risk are those above 70 and even then the chance of survival is 95% — and that is with no treatment. So, the rate is much higher for those who are treated (remember President Trump and Mayor Guliana?)?
This vaccine is still labeled experimental by the FDA. I, for one, don’t want an experimental drug with unknown side effects placed inside of me for a .1% chance of dying! Especially when I look at the survival rate of the 8% of us that might become infected as noted below:
FROM CDC
AGE SURVIVAL
<20 — 99.997%
20 - 49 — 99.98%
50 - 69- 99.5
70 + 95% (no treatment)
26M of 321M have been infected, which is about 8%. 452,000 have passed if you believe the dramatically inflated numbers. That is .1% of the population.
So the geniuses, apparently including yourself, are telling us that with a .1% chance of death we should inject ourselves with an experimental vaccination. A vaccination for which we do not know what, if any, long term effects it might have. PLUS, the so-called experts are telling us we will still need protection and will need to wear masks.
I’m not sure where you went to school, but your argument is crazy. This hoax will go down as the biggest political and institutional boondoggle of all times!
I am an intelligent, college-educated, retired military officer and successful businessman throughout my life, and I am not irrational or risk adverse. Like I said, you are too full of yourself and think you know everything. You don't.
I know that my odds are better if I stay away from something everyone else is clamoring to get. It's too new. Not tested long enough or been in use long enough to mess with. It's still in Beta mode as far as I'm concerned.
And what does the vaccine do anyway? It doesn't make you immune from the virus. Fauci says you still have to wear a stupid mask after getting the vaccine. It doesn't prevent you from getting the virus again. So what's the point? I know that if it ain't broke, there is not reason to fix it.
So I don't plan on getting the vaccine because there doesn't seem to be any reason to except the government and the politicians are telling us to. To me, that's a good enough reason NOT to get the vaccine.
".... (although wearing masks voluntarily is a good idea and does help to slow the spread of the virus to some degree)...."
If you were a real scientist, then you should know that the virus is a dead particle that doesn't "spread" or go anywhere. It's not a bug. It's here to stay. It is so small, it can't be seen under a microsope. An electron microscope is necessary to see it. So small, in fact, that the virus particles can move freely in and out of the weave of the material masks are made of.
And that brings me to my last point. As a former hospital administrator, I was responsible for procurment of the masks for the medical personnel in the hospital. Anybody who works in a hospital knows that masks are used to prevent the spread of germs and bacteria but not viruses. Bacteria are alive and much larger in size.
The touted N95 masks are medical grade for surgical suites and are only used for short periods of time before being disposed of in biohazard containers. They are not intended to be worn all of the time and do not stop the submicroscopic particles like viruses.
So what I am saying is that wearing masks are worthless in stopping the spread of this virus. It only makes the wearer feel good about themselves. That's why I've never worn a mask during this pandemic. They don't work to stop the corona virus. It is used as a crutch and an excuse for government experts to pit people against each other and as a weapon to control them.
And the same goes for this vaccine. It is claimed to be a cure all for the covid. A panacea. It is neither. Businesses, employers, schools, airlines, governments, etc. will be duped into using it to hold over people's heads to force them to get the vaccine, to be able to participate in what used to be a free society. We have been conned about how bad this virus is when it is hardly any more dangerous than the common cold.
I believe you can still catch the virus even with the vaccine, it’s just that your symptoms will be milder. I would have to read up on that aspect.
I think scientists are looking at the possibly that a vaccinated person can still infect another person. That would be a bad thing because it sets up the possibility that the virus could mutate into a more resistant virus. This is like people who use antibiotics in their kitchen. After doing it for a long time, the bacteria become resistant to the antibiotics. Now they have a worse problem.
Maybe they (LifeSite) consider preventing potential vax deaths a sanctity of life? And, especially for something that has a 95++ % survival rate, without a vax that can potentially reprogram your cells?
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I’ve heard the opposite.
That, yes, you can still contract China Flu even after receiving the experimental vax, but....that you’ve now potentially made your cells much more susceptible to succumbing to the infection.
At least that’s what’s happened in all of the animal trials, for this type of experimental vax.
Not good!
... what we have hard data for ...
That precisely is my point. The hard data is not complete for either side. Due to the politics involved, all the COVID data is jumbled and will take awhile to sort out as tohow many actually died from the virus alone as compared to those who died with complications from other health issues. What future health issues were caused by the COVID or due to other factors, such as medications used in treatment. The problem with the PCR testing also adds another wrinkle to the problem.
As far as the vaccine is concerned, tne trials did not go long enough nor were broad enough to establish what, if any, long term effects of synthetic mRNA on the human body. The pharmaceutical companies were given wavers to skip animal testing, which would have given some of that information. Subjects in the testing were mostly young and healthy, not the elderly who are the most likely to get vaccinated.
There were significant problems with the SARS-CoV-1 vaccine trials that did use animal testing. Likewise, there were significant problems with the swine flu vaccinations.
Given all this, I believe it is prudent to wait until more is known, especially if you have any autoimmune problem.
Fair enough. Don’t take the vaccine then. Just don’t pretend that it’s safer to risk infection than it is to get the vaccine. It is demonstrably not safer.
As for masks, certainly they aren’t anywhere near 100% effective. I never claimed they were. And, yes, I am quite aware of the size of viruses and the fact that masks won’t stop a virus. However the primary means of the transmission of THIS virus is through droplets created when people cough of sneeze. Masks CAN stop these droplets from reaching nearby people. The mask is not to protect you; it’s to prevent you from unwittingly spewing out virus-containing droplets. It isn’t totally effective, but wearing a mask certainly isn’t harming anyone. (Those with medical conditions that preclude mask use excepted, of course). I’m not supporting a mask mandate, just smart behavior.
And please reread what I’ve posted. I have never called YOU irrational. If anything I’ve posted implied otherwise, I apologize. I called the decision to refuse a vaccine based on the notion that it’s too risky irrational. The risk of vaccination is lower than the risk of non-vaccination. I tried to make it come out otherwise by assuming various inflation factors in the Covid death counts, but no reasonable assumptions lead to the vaccine being riskier. I have heard true fatality rates from Covid quoted as low as 0.01%. The data for the vaccine shows about 300 deaths out of 20 million vaccinated people, which even if we assume 100% are vaccine caused deaths is a rate of only 0.0016%. It is irrational to state that you are passing up a chance to decrease your risk of death from 0.01% to 0.0016% because it’s too risky to do so.
If that’s your decision, again no problem. Don’t try to tell me it’s a rational decision based on actual data. It is not. It’s a decision based on irrational fear of an unknown vaccine. That doesn’t make you irrational or unintelligent. Most otherwise rational people make irrational decisions in certain circumstances, myself included. For example, I don’t like to fly because I don’t feel safe; I’d rather drive long distances. That’s still the case even though it is demonstrably much safer to fly. What I won’t do is try to tell others that they’re crazy for flying because it’s unsafe. I won’t post “see I told you so” type articles any time a plane crashes. I would just ask those like you who are afraid of taking the vaccine to do likewise. Reports of people dying after vaccination do not constitute proof or evidence that the vaccine is less safe than Covid any more than a plane crashing proves air travel is less safe than driving.
Right or wrong, there is not a "correct" answer no matter how much you may want there to be.
Your belief that my behavior is irrational because I don't agree with your assessment of the world, leads me to believe that you are more of a liberal than you are a conservative.
Conservatives would listen to the other's argument and if they don't agree, they move on. Liberals, on the other hand, demand that you think like they do or there is something wrong with you. In this case, I am irrational because I don't agree with the way you look at risks in the world. And don't tell me that merely parsing your words to try and separate my irrational behavior from me being irrational myself, is going to cut it with me. My behavior and I are one in the same.
And I still don't understand why you think it is so important that I get the vaccine. What do you care other than to "win" your argument? Because I don't care. But you are obsessed with it.
I'm tired of your insistence that I am the problem because I'm a square peg that doesn't fit into your round hole. I've had enough of toying with you.
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