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Did Pence just invoke the 25th Amendment to depose Trump?
Disclose TV ^ | January 6, 2020 | Disclose TV

Posted on 01/06/2021 2:51:03 PM PST by Dr. Franklin

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To: InterceptPoint

It’s pretty straightforward. I don’t have the exact cites handy, but there is a DC statute naming the President as the Commander in Chief of the DC Guard, and there is a 1969 Executive Order signed by Nixon delegating control of the Guard to SecDef.


161 posted on 01/06/2021 5:40:59 PM PST by The Pack Knight
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To: ought-six

SecDef has control of the Guard, per an EO.


162 posted on 01/06/2021 5:42:19 PM PST by The Pack Knight
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To: OIFVeteran

you should have the zot invoked shortly, troll


163 posted on 01/06/2021 5:47:40 PM PST by Baladas
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To: The Pack Knight

“SecDef has control of the Guard, per an EO.”

Yes, but who called them up? I’m still not clear on that, as I’ve read that it was Pence, then that it was Pelosi, then that it was the mayor of D.C.; and then apparently the governors of Virginia and Maryland activated some of their Guard units.

The Guard can be activated for service in their respective states upon declaration of a state of emergency by the governor of the state or territory where they serve, or in the case of Washington, D.C., by the Commanding General.

So, I understand who actually activates the Guard, but doesn’t the request have to come from a proper official (like, a governor)?

I was active duty USAF during Vietnam, so I am not really up on all the nuances of the Guard. But as part of the military, the Guard would necessarily fall under the umbrella of the DoD. But who would exercise direct control? I’d assume that would be the Commandant of the National Guard and the regional or state Guard commanding general. But then, wouldn’t they be subject to the direction of the civilian authority (such as a governor), who can say “Stand off and withdraw, as we are declaring the emergency over.”?

I just don’t know.


164 posted on 01/06/2021 6:50:30 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes. And it would be the smart thing to do. He needn’t “concede” in any kind of inauthentic way, it would simply be a carefully measured consideration of what the smarter long term thing to do would be... There is more than enough work to do over the next two years to reverse the “gains” the Globalist Left thinks are already theirs in perpetuity.


165 posted on 01/06/2021 7:01:25 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes. And it would be the smart thing to do. He needn’t “concede” in any kind of inauthentic way, it would simply be a carefully measured consideration of what the smarter long term thing to do would be... There is more than enough work to do over the next two years to reverse the “gains” the Globalist Left thinks are already theirs in perpetuity.


166 posted on 01/06/2021 7:01:57 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: supremedoctrine

See my tagline. Two months ago Donald Trump made a promise to America that he would not rest.

What this means is that he will continue the fight. Today was a major setback, but he still has options. Legal and constitutional options. Right now I have no reason to believe that Donald Trump is a liar and a quitter.


167 posted on 01/06/2021 7:04:35 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (I will not rest until the American People have the honest vote count they deserve. DJT 11-07-20)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes. And it would be the smart thing to do. He needn’t “concede” in any kind of inauthentic way, it would simply be a carefully measured consideration of what the smarter long term thing to do would be... There is more than enough work to do over the next two years to reverse the “gains” the Globalist Left thinks are already theirs in perpetuity.


168 posted on 01/06/2021 7:05:08 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: Responsibility2nd
See my tagline. Two months ago Donald Trump made a promise to America that he would not rest. What this means is that he will continue the fight. Today was a major setback, but he still has options. Legal and constitutional options. Right now I have no reason to believe that Donald Trump is a liar and a quitter.

Once Congress certifies the vote, probably tomorrow now, Trump's options are almost nil. Assuming CJ Roberts allows SCOTUS to decide anything before Inauguration Day, they may well now claim the issue is moot because Congress certified the election and it is a political decision. Some state legislatures may belatedly vote to decertify the election results, like WI tomorrow. Trump could file a writ of quo warranto if enough do that, but it is completely unprecedented for POTUS, and may be determined to be a moot issue.
169 posted on 01/06/2021 7:17:53 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: ought-six

It’s governed by various sections of the DC Code: Under 49-405 and 409, the CINC is the President, and he has the power to activate and order out the Guard.

Under DC Code 49-103, the Mayor, US Marshal, or the National Capital Service Director of the NPS may request that the CINC order out the Guard to suppress riots, whereupon the CINC “ shall thereupon order out so much and such portion of the militia as he may deem necessary.” The President must honor such a request, but he can order them out on his own without a request under 405.

Under Executive Order 11485, signed by Nixon in 1969, the President delegated much of his power as CINC to SecDef, including the power to “supervise, administer, and control” the Guard and, subject to the President’s direction, may “order out” the Guard to “aid the civil authorities of the District.”

So, the civil authority is SecDef as delegee of the President. One thing that isn’t clear to me, due to outdated reference on the EO to a now-recodified section of the DC Code, is whether SecDef can order out the Guard on his own under section 405 or requires a request under 103.


170 posted on 01/06/2021 7:19:10 PM PST by The Pack Knight
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To: Freee-dame

It seemed like a lot were over on the Mall are and some said the crowds were sort of split. But stories are all over the place as to who showed up. Many were arriving late so who knows you may be right.


171 posted on 01/06/2021 7:30:45 PM PST by mdmathis6
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To: Freee-dame

It seemed like a lot were over on the Mall are and some said the crowds were sort of split. But stories are all over the place as to who showed up. Many were arriving late so who knows you may be right.


172 posted on 01/06/2021 7:31:15 PM PST by mdmathis6
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To: .30Carbine

Dittos, right on target brother.


173 posted on 01/06/2021 7:41:11 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: bramps

At the Georgia rally 2 nights ago he said big things would be coming out over the coming days. I’m not holding my breath. And if it was hard to get the media to pay attention before, how will it be after today?
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You just did not know where to look.

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Jeb Bush’s facial expression when Laura Bush showed him a note which told him, “I’m sorry. They know everything.”

It is referenced in this interview at 37:34 minutes
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There is more when you are done with this.


174 posted on 01/06/2021 9:28:05 PM PST by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine

You just did not know where to look.

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I guess Trump didn’t either.


175 posted on 01/07/2021 4:18:50 AM PST by bramps (It's the Islam, stupid!)
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To: The Pack Knight

“Under Executive Order 11485, signed by Nixon in 1969, the President delegated much of his power as CINC to SecDef, including the power to ‘supervise, administer, and control’ the Guard and, subject to the President’s direction, may ‘order out’ the Guard to ‘aid the civil authorities of the District.’

“So, the civil authority is SecDef as delegee of the President. One thing that isn’t clear to me, due to outdated reference on the EO to a now-recodified section of the DC Code, is whether SecDef can order out the Guard on his own under section 405 or requires a request under 103.”

Ah, thanks for the clarification. So, it could very well be that Pelosi and friends went directly to SecDef, and completely bypassed POTUS.


176 posted on 01/07/2021 8:45:25 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six
That's what it sounds like. Here's SecDef's official statement from yesterday:

Chairman Milley and I just spoke separately with the Vice President and with Speaker Pelosi, Leader McConnell, Senator Schumer and Representative Hoyer about the situation at the U.S. Capitol. We have fully activated the D.C. National Guard to assist federal and local law enforcement as they work to peacefully address the situation. We are prepared to provide additional support as necessary and appropriate as requested by local authorities. Our people are sworn to defend the constitution and our democratic form of government and they will act accordingly.
No President. Now, he didn't need POTUS's authorization and the civilians he spoke with were all actually on the ground at the Capitol. But it does strike me as odd because you would think, legal or not, this might warrant at least a phone call to the President even if that wasn't strictly legally necessary. Maybe one day we'll find out exactly what happened.
177 posted on 01/07/2021 9:27:37 AM PST by The Pack Knight
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