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Don’t expect Mike Pence to save us on January 6
American Thinker ^ | 1 Jan, 2021 | Carol Brown

Posted on 01/01/2021 5:02:03 AM PST by MtnClimber

But not for the reasons you may think.

There’s been a lot written about the power Vice President Pence has to turn the stolen election around on January 6. Many commentators on various sites (including AT) have weighed in, some expressing hope, while other have expressed doubt Pence would do the right thing.

But it appears all of this is moot, as Bill Jacobson, founder of Legal Insurrection writes:

A claim has circulated widely in the past few days that Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, has the power and discretion to reject certifications. If Pence had such power and chose to exercise it, it would be over, but he doesn’t.

Jacobson cites relevant language from the Constitution (Article II, Section I, after the 12th Amendment) to support his assertion and then summarizes.

Note the words. “Shall … open all the Certificates” and “the Votes shall then be counted.” Shall is mandatory, there is no discretion. The certificates must be opened by Pence, and the votes must be counted (it’s unclear who does the counting, but the votes must be counted regardless). No Vice President (whether Mike Pence, Al Gore or future VP Kamala Harris) performing the function of opening the votes has discretion to reject votes. No Vice President has authority to accept votes presented through some extra-constitutional other process.

There is an interesting legal question of what would happen if a state authority presented conflicting votes — for example the legislature certified one set of electors but the executive branch certified a different set — but that has not happened here. No state authority has certified more than one set of electors.

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To: mmanager

Ya know you are right, but after all this talk, no proof a court so far would take, is there anything to disclose? We all can see its a fake election, but the fix is in...


21 posted on 01/01/2021 5:44:05 AM PST by aces (and )
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To: cranked

Boy. And trump picked him. First decision he made.


22 posted on 01/01/2021 5:50:16 AM PST by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: MtnClimber

Only God can save us. That has always been the case. Who He uses is up to Him.


23 posted on 01/01/2021 5:56:09 AM PST by silent majority rising
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To: MtnClimber

Rogue elephants have long memories.


24 posted on 01/01/2021 6:00:57 AM PST by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: Travis McGee
And don’t forget the 20-30 million illegal aliens who will be given amnesty and Rat voter card, who will be voting in 2022 and forever

Travis, it's realistic comments like this that cause angst among the trust the plan KooKs.

25 posted on 01/01/2021 6:03:08 AM PST by JonPreston (Crash the whole thing down)
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To: Travis McGee
If the steal stands, NO Republican will win in 2024.

Conservatives in Venezuela thought the first term of Hugo Chavez would lead to a wrecked economy (it did) and an election win for the conservatives.

Fatal mistake. There was never another fair election where conservatives could win.

Ditto for the USA.

And don’t forget the 20-30 million illegal aliens who will be given amnesty and Rat voter card, who will be voting in 2022 and forever

Bullseye. No Republican will win in 2024 or beyond. We will become Venezuela on steroids.

Hoss

26 posted on 01/01/2021 6:08:36 AM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: PIF

“ Each state only has one vote, as I understand it”

Not on a contested election. Each house member will vote after the two hour debate.


27 posted on 01/01/2021 6:12:58 AM PST by mmanager (Lets Finish This!)
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To: HossB86

“Bullseye. No Republican will win in 2024 or beyond. We will become Venezuela on steroids.”

That’s why I’m buying more p.m. coins...


28 posted on 01/01/2021 6:13:01 AM PST by polymuser (A socialist is a communist without the power to take everything from their citizens...yet.)
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To: HossB86

But armed to the teeth and damned mad.


29 posted on 01/01/2021 6:17:34 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: mmanager

This is the hard truth and why something beyond major needs to happen between now and the sixth.

All this crazy coming out of Lin Wood is a hint to come. He’s too tied in with Sidney to be out there spewing something this outrageous. Good cop bad cop, trying to flush something out? Who knows but something is there. And I believe we are going to see it shortly.

The first arrest/unveiling has to be on a magnitude to unite those not caught up in the crime. That’s the only way to get the votes.


30 posted on 01/01/2021 6:18:46 AM PST by mmanager (Lets Finish This!)
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To: MtnClimber

One obvious thing I had forgotten about:

How, exactly, do the elector certificates get to the Joint Session Chamber to be read?

They are sent, by the state legislature, to the Senate, to the U.S. Archivist, and to a federal court with jurisdiction in the state senate’s home district.

The Archivist, the Judge, and whoever physically received “certificates” will NOT receive any but those from the state legislature with the certified results. For example, the Green Party may have gotten 1m national votes, but no Green Party certificates will be accepted by the Archivist, the judge, or the senate because they did not originate with the legislature of the state.

There are no multiple slates of electors arriving, unless sent by the state legislatures. (This did occur in 1960 when the state legislature of Hawaii sent in three slates due to complications). So the notion of “dueling electors” is moot. There won’t be another slate to be counted.

Now, objections can THROW OUT STATE DELEGATES—this has happened. But no one can add on Jan. 6. The only exception I can find is 1876 when the all-Republican Joint Session threw out the certificates for three Southern states but formed a joint commission to figure out how to award the electoral votes. So even then, on that “counting” day, no new electors were added.


31 posted on 01/01/2021 6:19:44 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix) )
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To: MtnClimber

More doom and gloom.

So what the hell, I might as well add to it with my own predictions.

Biden will be President and have Trump arrested for treason.

The Green New Deal will be enacted. Paying for it will be done with savings by outsourcing our defense to the CCP. The CCP will gladly occupy our Army, Air and Naval bases for free and help us fend off those pesky Russians.

Education will be free, especially for former Trump supporters. Former Trump supporters will be given free lodging and schooling in reeducation camps.

Medical costs will be drastically reduced. Many former Trump supporters will not have to worry about doctor bills. These are the ones loaded on to box cars headed for the gas chambers.

* * * * *

There, I said it. Now I can fit right in with the doom and gloomers.


32 posted on 01/01/2021 6:20:59 AM PST by redfreedom (Member of Agent Orange Health Club Since 1969)
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To: MtnClimber

Well the idea that the sitting VP could simply declare the sitting President the winner was pretty kooky from the start.


33 posted on 01/01/2021 6:26:52 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: redfreedom

Stop with the defeatist crap trying to tell us it’s all over. Do us all a favor and take it elsewhere. Do yourself a favor and quit watching the Fake News. The military wouldn’t win any wars with people like you in the ranks.

This is NOT OVER, President Trump WON the election, massive fraud IS being exposed, and President Trump will serve another four years in the White House (now & not in 2025).

The only date in the Constitution is January 20, 2021.

Here’s a quote for you from Samuel Adams:

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”


34 posted on 01/01/2021 6:31:36 AM PST by Lions Gate
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To: MtnClimber

Pence = Sessions = Barr.

Lazy and overhyped.


35 posted on 01/01/2021 6:33:49 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: AFB-XYZ

I saw on Parler that Pence has responded to the Gohmert lawsuit saying that he doesn’t want the power to choose electors.


36 posted on 01/01/2021 7:16:37 AM PST by elenvee ("...against all enemies, foreign and domestic..")
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To: elenvee

Hmm. It was always my understanding that he already had that authority, and that the lawsuit was making assertions that weren’t needed because they were already in the Constitution. I’ve also read elsewhere that Pence’s people were saying that he should never have been the defendant in the first place.

We’ll see what happens on Jan. 6. No matter what Pence in tends to do or not do, I don’t think he would telegraph it ahead of time. It’s not smart to do so.

On another note, I’ve read that his trip to Israel, originally planned for right after the Jan. 6 proceeding, has been cancelled. Can any Freepers flesh that out a little?


37 posted on 01/01/2021 7:24:06 AM PST by AFB-XYZ (Option 1 -- stand up. Option 2 -- bend over.)
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Dont worry about 2024, the destruction Obama began will be complete quickly, way before 2024, nothing they will leave to chance. Hell, we’re almost there now. Folks, if we lose the steal turn out the lights, its over. Fend as best you can. Become as lawless as posible, everybody else will.


38 posted on 01/01/2021 7:24:37 AM PST by drdirt333 (DRDIRT333 )
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To: Travis McGee

LOL!

Don’t jump the tiger...ride it.

Frank has a dark moustache.

Rogue elephant has a long memory.

: )


39 posted on 01/01/2021 7:47:37 AM PST by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: MtnClimber

I expect Mike Pence to have the backbone of a tasty bowl of oatmeal.


40 posted on 01/01/2021 7:48:29 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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