I think you all make interesting points. And I see where you all are coming from. It could be however, that Pence was ignorant of the depth and breadth of the corruption. (I can’t believe he was corrupted because the derps and NYT types would have outted him to get to Trump — unless Pence was theirs and he was a sleeper, but that is too out there even for me.) I think Trump has educated him and he’s changed.
I listened to Pence’s Turning Point speech from a couple days ago and he was impressive. I can’t believe that performance was fake. Fake would be like McConnell.
Also, Trump doesn’t have the most stellar past in the world and there are plenty of photos of him with bad actors. Like the one at his wedding with the Clintons all chummy. I think one of Trump’s major turning points was around the time that Obama was being exposed as not eligible for the presidency.
Pence’s whole demeanor is pretty reserved. He is the opposite of Trump in about every respect. But, I think that is just his personal culture. He is a Midwesterner after all and Trump is a New Yorker. (Midwesterners have a tough time with the NY/Queens personality type. I’ve red-pilled a lot of my Illinois compadres by telling them they needed to look past the NY-ness of Trump.) It is also possible that Pence was on a personal wait-and-see mission as to who Trump really was.
That being said I do not believe that Pence has what it takes to be President. If he runs, I will not support him during the primary for 2024. I think Cruz (can’t believe I’m saying that) or Pompeo would be better choices.
We shall see how Jan 6 goes. I think it is entirely likely that Pence will reject the electoral college votes from the disputed states which would throw the election to the House. The legal remedies are being severely slow-rolled and it is possible the derps will run out the clock. Pence stands in the position to fix that as President of the Senate. If that fails... things are going get very tense. There isn’t a thinking person out there that believes Biden won, dem or republican. The dems will just lie about it. The future is hard to see right now.
This may be my longest post ever. Sorry for the long-windedness.
Merry Christmas to everyone. God has blessed us mightily. If we hadn’t been exposed to all the things Q posted over these past many months and years, it would be a lot harder to stand tough. I think people are holding the line primarily due to Q. WWG1WGA God wins.
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I agree with your assessment of Pence. BUT NO CRUZ! Not a NBC and he was dishonest about his citizenship status.
TrueFact: I can’t believe he [Pence] was corrupted because the derps and NYT types would have outted him to get to Trump — unless Pence was theirs and he was a sleeper, but that is too out there even for me.)
me: I think Pence was known not to be Presidential material and Trump would have chosen someone who was presidential, and a fighter, to leave coattails he trusted. I do think Pence is a sleeper. I believe Nancy Pelosi only learned about Pence’s true nature at the 2020 SOTU. A lip reader made a claim I found convincing, looking at the footage, that Pence and Nancy were essentially collaborating, with Nancy excited that ‘now there’s hope!’ and fawning to pence, ‘we were never going to impeach YOU’.
TrueFact: I listened to Pence’s Turning Point speech from a couple days ago and he was impressive. I can’t believe that performance was fake. Fake would be like McConnell.
Me: I 100% believed George W. Bush was sincere. For me to avoid believing in someone like Bush again, it’s now a question of level of effort (e.g., Where’s Pence’s?) and actions. If I had looked at where Bush put his time and effort/where he didn’t invest time and effort, and actual outcomes of his actions, I would have known what/who he was.
TrueFact: Also, Trump doesn’t have the most stellar past in the world and there are plenty of photos of him with bad actors. Like the one at his wedding with the Clintons all chummy. I think one of Trump’s major turning points was around the time that Obama was being exposed as not eligible for the presidency.
Me: Photographing at partiess, being civil when need be to get past Clinton gatekeepers when they still thought he was no threat, I can see as part of the job. Socializing privately (football/baseball game) with a monster like GH Bush, I can’t. By the time of the funeral in which Pence greeted Clinton warmly, Trump didn’t. Either Trump didn’t trust Pence enough to tell him about the Storm in progress, or Pence knew and “needed” to serve Hillary’s post of respectability.
Side Note: Just now searching the web, I don’t remember this: Articles saying FOIAA request revealed Pence used his personal AOL account for state business in 2017 (sensitive info not to be sent outside gov) and was hacked. Other articles say the info in his AOL was too sensitive to release to the public. I’ll put an example below.
TrueFact: Pence’s whole demeanor is pretty reserved. He is the opposite of Trump in about every respect.
Me: That’s one of my problems with Pence. KNowing he was going into the ring with people who wanted him dead, I think Prsident Trump would have chosen someone he knew would fight, someone he knew trusted him and believed in him. Going into the ring and facing all manner of false accusations, Trump would need to be sure Pence knew him enough to know the fake charges were false. If Pence didn’t know Trump well (whether good or bad) and he believed the fake charges, Pence would be too great a liability.
TrueFact: That being said I do not believe that Pence has what it takes to be President.
Me: We agree.
TrueFact: We shall see how Jan 6 goes. I think it is entirely likely that Pence will reject the electoral college votes from the disputed states which would throw the election to the House.
Me: I would be shocked if he rejected the electoral college votes from disputed states, unless he’s controlled. If he publicly accepted the disputed electoral votes, President Trump’s challenges would multiply exponentially, so I don’t think they’ll let Pence near it. Yes, we must wait and see.
TrueFact: This may be my longest post ever. Sorry for the long-windedness.
ME: Please don’t apologize. I really appreciate the details you provided. Q talked about thinking for ourselves and I believe it’s critical to the survival of our republic that we know and discuss details, and know why we believe what we believe. Please accept my gratitude for your time and attention in responding to me.
TrueFact: Merry Christmas to everyone. God has blessed us mightily. If we hadn’t been exposed to all the things Q posted over these past many months and years, it would be a lot harder to stand tough. I think people are holding the line primarily due to Q. WWG1WGA God wins.
Me: Amen, TrueFact. Merry Christmas.
ME: I do feel we’re blessed mightily - that we were awakened for a reason. I can’t imagine how I’d feel right now if I was still asleep, believing the MSM’s portrayal of the stolen election. Can’t imagine who I would compare notes with if we had no thread.
YES! WE HOLD THE LINE! WWG1WGA! GOD WINS!
well, now we know....
I think Trump has known the truth about power/politics for a long long time...
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Do not apologize, as your post was on topic, unlike some we have been getting lately.
You make many good points. The one I most disagree with is supporting Cruz. I do not trust Lyin’ Ted on bit. Pompeo, OTOH, is great.