Posted on 12/20/2020 11:32:58 AM PST by SkyPilot
Dan Scavino, The White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Communications and Director of Social Media posted a series of tweets late last night that many took as a ominous sign of what’s coming, but then he also made a Facebook post stating “President Trump Will Not Be Conceding”.
This is an official statement from the White House official. I think we all knew this already, however, it’s official now.
(Excerpt) Read more at populist.press ...
When can we expect a ruling on Sidney Powell's lates suit regarding a number of Georgia plaintiffs? I would think those plaintiffs have standing, unlike Powell's original suit that was denied to her individual standing.
I really believe that the Supremes are now paranoid to look at the merits of an case that is submitted to them.
It worked for the ineligible Kenyan from Indonesia.
Yeah, good point.
So it only takes one Senator and one Representative and after debate it automatically goes to the House?
THey NEVER TRUMPERS are like BATTERED WIVES sticking up. For their BATTERERS, the DEMOCRATS!!
Good news bump.
“””we want to register Independent now also. Can you walk some of us through that process? Who did you call? did you notify the RNC that it was over??”””
I live in Florida and they make it very easy to change from being a registered Republican to NPA (No Party Affiliation)
Here is the website for Florida to change voter registration
https://registertovoteflorida.gov/home
I would think other states have similar websites.
I did not notify the GOP as they regularly get the data from the state.
I will say an interesting thing has happened.
For at least the last 8 months I have been receiving up to ten emails each day from various Republicans across the USA begging for money.
Since I changed my registration on Thursday, I have not received a single email from the beggars at the GOP.
“””Loeffler did come out with a supportive statement.
Look at the larger picture:
There are very serious advantages to having a Republican majority in the Senate, serious disadvantages to not having one, and Trump supports more than one Republican candidate who has not returned the favor.”””
As much as I detest RINORATS, now is not the time to cut one’s nose off to spite one’s face.
Tow RINORATS in the Senate are better than two Democrat Socialists. Not much, but just a little.
The answer to your questions are in Title 3 of the US CODE pasted below.
Counting electoral votes in congress
§ 15. Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors.
The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer.
Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses.
Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any.
Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State.
But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.
When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted.
No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.
“””I think there’s one more step in the process. If there’s an objection by 1 rep and 1 senator, the congress goes into a 2 hour session to deliberate on what to do next. The House would decide to accept the result and carry on. The Senate could decide to contest the result but of course Republican senate discipline would need to hold. Only at that point would it go to the House for a vote with each state having one vote.”””
The answer to your questions are in Title 3 of the US CODE pasted below. (scroll to the bottom)
Counting electoral votes in congress
§ 15. Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors.
The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer.
Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses.
Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any.
Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State.
But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.
When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted.
No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.
“There’s no legal requirement for him to concede, even after Jan. 20.”
Probably because it is just a prerogative.
Or Ted Cruz.
Trump is not like that. He's not a quitter. He's not a turn-the-other-cheek kind of guy. If someone deliberately crosses him, he wants payback. He wants vengeance. Right or wrong, he will never concede to those who stole his second term from him.
Well sorta.
One Senator and one Rep to object is the first step. Then it goes to debate - Senate meets and debates, House meets and debates. From there, things can get a bit questionable as to outcome.
Possible for one of the houses of Congress to accept original slate. Possible for one of the houses to accept the alternate slate. Possible for both slates to be rejected. If a slate is rejected, it will most likely be on the grounds that the State certified an incorrect slate.
Also possible the the objection is ignored and the original slate of electors is accepted. This is the automatic Biden win scenario.
Congress gets to make its own rules regarding what slate of electors it accepts. So at the end of the debating, if no one has the 270 electoral votes required, then goes to the House. This is the realistic only path for President Trump to win.
If it goes to the house, each state gets 1 vote and the members of that state are polled for which candidate. 26 States are required (majority) to be selected. This is where President Trump has a lead - IF - you assume that the GOP representatives will vote for the President.
I suspect that unless there is a loud outcry from the GOP voters who let their representatives know that they will be primaried out if they do not support President Trump, that there will not be enough backbone to overturn the steal.
The only way that the House would vote for President by State delegation would be for no candidate to amass 270 electoral votes. That could only happen if Biden would expire of say COVID before the counting that takes place on January 6th, 2021. Barring that occurance, Biden will be President-elect.
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Definitely YEP!
“I get a kick out of the “we’ll get them next time” folks who can never answer the question, how do you win rigged elections?”
I couldn’t get an answer out of them after the Dems stole 2018. All I got was name calling and “Vote, vote, vote.” Now they are ready for the 2022 Kool-Aid.
Knowing how the Roman Republic transformed into Emperor total rule is what the founding fathers studied and tried to avoid . Also worthy of study is how China , after being centuries ahead of the west in Technology fell behind
My reading of this (and what I’ve heard elsewhere) is that the Full House and Full Senate would have have to have a majority vote in favor of the original objection raised by the Congressman/Senator combo, BEFORE it went to the state by state vote in the House. If this is correct, this will be very difficult to pass the majority vote needed in the House, to ultimately reject the Biden votes and keep him under 270, which is the process that actually triggers the state by state delegation (non-majority) vote.
in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.
This is the more likely scenario, if the full state legislatures send competing electors, which I’m not sure has happened everywhere yet. This US code then says the electors selected by the Governors would have precedent, however the counter argument is that this part of the US code actually violated the US Constitution, and does not apply since it is not an amendment. This leaves the choice of electors to Pence, but his choice could be brought to the Supreme Court, who could accept the case and rule differently.
At least this is my understanding, compiled from a variety of sources.
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