Where are the therapeutics?

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[ifinnegan]

Thanks for the info.

[Mom MD]

same thing i told my mom. vitamin d, zinc, and pepcid. she was already on an anticoagulant or i would have advised aspirin as well. Good nutrition, rest, and check your oxygen saturation several times daily.

[Lurkina.n.Learnin]

Thanks. What do you think of adding Quercetin to that? And what’s the deal with pepcid?

[Mom MD]

i would be a little cautious with the quecertin depending on medical and heart history, but an individual decision. pepcid or famotidine at 40 mg daily appears to be beneficial

[Lurkina.n.Learnin]

I found this video on pepcid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHCV0tqd1Sk&feature=emb_logo

I do note they are using hydrochloriquin with it.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

hydroxychloroquine

Just for grins I’m curious - how much tonic water would you judge it would take to have a similar side effect hazard as the recommended dose of hydroxychloroquine?

[.44 Special]

Why? Because people aren’t dying from covid-19 as the media is reporting.
Supposed total covid-19 cases in ghe U.S.:16,000,000
Purported covid-19 deaths as reported by the media, these are comorbid and not supported by autopsy: 300,000 morbidity rate: 01.8%
Confirmed by autopsy or other testing covid-19 non-comorbid deaths:18,000 morbidity rate: 00.11%
Death rate change in the U.S. in the past 12 months 00.00%.
There you have the basis for the lockdown and destruction of the economy, 00.11%

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

. . . considering that tonic water is OTC . . .

[Ozark Tom]

Can’t let therapeutics get in the way of delivering population control through an inoculation, can they? Who knew Bill Gates father was the director of Planned Parenthood at one time?

https://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=81838

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/12/11/does-vaccine-sterility-issue-have-basis/

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

people aren’t dying from covid-19 as the media is reporting.

My daughter is a “health nut” dietetically, and re: covid.

My (younger) next door neighbor seemed less cautious than I re: covid - until another, relatively healthy, neighbor up and died of it. Now he is spooked worse than I.

And me with mild COPD. Maybe I should be putting my head in the sand . . .

[steve86]

“You are correct— the anti- S proteins (the spikes on any... ANY coronavirus) are defeated...”

It will be interesting, some day, to find out whether ionophores (quinine, HCQ, quercetin), in combination with Zn availability, block common cold coronaviruses as well.

[Karliner]

"...following the MedCram Pulmonologist CME regimen covered by Dr. Schuelte in CA (the MedCram CME series. #45 on... you tub), and added/changed hypertension regimen from ACE-inhibitor to ACE-blocker (valsartan, losartan)..."

I never heard using ACE inhibitor to blockers in a regimen yet. Where can I get more info? The Y-tube medCram?

[John S Mosby]

Yes... you tub if it is still carrying it (no rational reason it shouldn’t). It is MedCram channel for continuing med education for physicians but open access (or at least it was).

Episode #45 Around March 23rd date published. Dr. Sheulte (Pulmonologist) goes through his daily regimen, and in a prior episode (can’t recall the number) he covered what was then known about the modality of infection- good hand drawn graphics of the ACE-2 receptor and S-Protein process (includes the intermediary enzymes and messenger RNA).

One of those two episodes mentions the use of ACE Blocker or an ACE inhibitor enabling either blocking the receptor, or down regulating the number of ACE-2 receptors (what the ACE inhibitor would presumably do, by lowering production of ACE, etc.).

Scheulte does not, at that date advocate the blockers, only implies. There is a good deal of anecdotal evidence of the added benefit of blockers (for hypertensives at greater risk with coronary disease or congestive heart disease). Again, this was back in March.

The supplement regimen in #45 has been rigidly followed— the Vit C at 2 plus grams, N-Acetyl Cysteine, Quercitin (bioflavanoids), Zinc , and D3 at 2500 plus IU/day.

[Karliner]

Thank- you for turning me on to the site and answering. I just subbed and digging in!

[gas_dr]

You are so much more erudite than I. Well said, my friend.

[gas_dr]

You are so much more erudite than I. Well said, my friend.

[millerph]

You wouldn’t want to try to drink enough Tonic Water to get anything close to an equivalent dose as those you see discussed, but I haven’t seen a study showing the minimum required. Instead the suggested doses are based off of doses established for RA or malaria. We don’t know that small doses such as you would get in Tonic Water might not help. Better than nothing imo.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

You wouldn’t want to try to drink enough Tonic Water to get anything close to an equivalent dose as those you see discussed

What I thought I was referring to was a toxicity not efficacy comparison. How much hydroxy would you need to take to have the same risk of side effects as drinking a nominal quantity of Tonic Water?

After all, AFAIK the origin of Tonic Water was medicinal, and hydroxy was developed to be less toxic than quinine. So it would seem reasonable that a product containing enough hydroxy to be equivalent in toxic effect to tonic water should qualify for OTC status.

You are saying that the recommended therapeutic dose of hydroxy would be dramatically more therapeutic than a nominal quantity of tonic water. But why should a dosage of hydroxy less toxic than tonic water not be OTC?