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Everyday Example For Understanding The Texas Lawsuit ('Audacious' Vanity)
Freerepublic.com ^ | December 9, 2020 | Texas AG and Hostage

Posted on 12/09/2020 7:34:04 AM PST by Hostage

Quote: In his complaint, Paxton argued that voters in his state were affected by the unconstitutional voting procedures in the other states because in “the shared enterprise of the entire nation electing the president and vice president, equal protection violations in one state can and do adversely affect and diminish the weight of votes cast in states that lawfully abide by the election structure set forth in the Constitution.” And he is absolutely correct. When one or more states violates the U.S. Constitution during a presidential election, that harms everyone that voted, because voters in every state are involved in electing the president.

Here’s an everyday example: You go to a federal surplus auction. You want to bid on a piece of equipment. You have a competitor that can print all the dollars they want on the spot and the auctioneer will accept the counterfeit dollars but you must show real dollars. Why should you even bother to bid? Are you treated equally in the auction? No, you’re not treated the same.

So you take the auctioneer to court and sue them for treating you unequally, from some bidders they will accept counterfeit dollars but you’re not allowed to counterfeit because you have to obey the law.

So at this crooked auction, only crooks can win the bids and take the goods. Is the court going to allow that?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: election; paxton; texas
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This is for those that can't quite digest all the legal happenings that are trying to save our President's landslide victory on November 3.
1 posted on 12/09/2020 7:34:04 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Hostage

The problem with this analogy is that Texas is not suing the auctioneer (Electoral College). Texas is suing the competitor. Still the right thing to do.


2 posted on 12/09/2020 7:36:28 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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Very few of the lawsuits Trump’s legal team filed since Election Day have really worried the left,
but when Texas AG Ken Paxton filed directly with the USSC Monday, lefties immediately began freaking out.
They are alarmed because even they understand that Paxton’s suit has the potential to flip the election.


ANALYSIS Not having President Trump being the aggrieved party, only the states who followed their laws, is a genius move.

Texas is even disregarding the obvious fraud in the early results there, in this case.

Equal protection without accoutrements is the way to go. (h/t Ingtar)


3 posted on 12/09/2020 7:36:56 AM PST by Liz ( Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use. )
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To: Hostage

Thank you
I am in Texas and did nit quite understand
Just proud we did it
And proud of the other 9 states, so far.


4 posted on 12/09/2020 7:37:30 AM PST by RWGinger (Does anyone else really )
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To: Hostage

Houston Astros 2019...


5 posted on 12/09/2020 7:38:48 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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To: ShadowAce

Auctioneer can also be construed as the legislatures of the four defendant states.

Actually, there should be more states than the four defendant states presently named.


6 posted on 12/09/2020 7:40:41 AM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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To: ShadowAce
The problem with this analogy is that Texas is not suing the auctioneer (Electoral College). Texas is suing the competitor.

True. The lawsuit is against the competitor (PA, GA etc) brought before a court whose sole and primary purpose is to ensure the auctioneer (U.S. Constitution) applies the rules equally to all.
7 posted on 12/09/2020 7:42:23 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: Hostage

The Supreme Court should referee the steal. If there was violation of the U.S. Constitution, the election was not legal in many cases. Is it simply a coincidence, all the problems of fraud are in the battleground states? This fraud had to be orchestrated, supported with big money and hostile foreign countries.


8 posted on 12/09/2020 7:44:12 AM PST by FreedBird (T)
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To: ShadowAce

Correct analysis in my opinion. More over, the activity is the competitor is engaged in is criminal. They are using 14A as their basis, which is straightforward.

This case will deal with the federal election, but it doesn’t address the proximate cause of the suit, which is the criminal activity. If there is evidence foreign governments are involved, it’s no longer criminal. It’s constitutional/military.


9 posted on 12/09/2020 7:47:26 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Hostage

Regarding the cheating lawsuits, I read a good analogy:

A person is arrested for murder. The DA and the Defense show up in court for their Preliminary Hearing. The judge states: “I haven’t seen any evidence showing this man committed murder, case dismissed!”


10 posted on 12/09/2020 7:51:54 AM PST by BobL (I'm Boycotting the Georgia Elections to 'Teach the GOP a Lesson' (by destroying the country))
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To: Hostage

btt


11 posted on 12/09/2020 7:59:14 AM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal that can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground--Mencken )
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Looks to be the last nail in the democrats coffin body parts found all over the place.

The U.S. Constitution isn’t their crossword puzzle where you can fill in any word you like to make it fit.


12 posted on 12/09/2020 8:07:10 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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I think it is also important that it is States that are the plaintiffs. If the plaintiffs were citizens of Texas then the case would be thrown out due to their lack of standing. I would claim that they had standing, but many cases seem to suggest that if a person is not financially harmed by another’s action then they have no standing.


13 posted on 12/09/2020 8:31:13 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not my current tagline.)
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Individual voters have standing but they must start at the lower court and be able to battle uphill against the time deadlines and they must have the legal capital to wage their arguments.

States have ‘original jurisdiction’ so they can start at the very top, the US Supreme Court.

and states have the budget if they commit tot he fight.

The US Supreme Court is going to take a note of significance to a group of States with a sound argument in the context of a historical crisis.


14 posted on 12/09/2020 8:43:45 AM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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Is the court going to allow that?

Yes, in two instances:

1. if the judge is afraid that the auctioneer's henchmen are going to show up at his house and torch it.

2. if the judge is in cahoots with the auctioneer.

Either of the above is possible.
15 posted on 12/09/2020 2:55:56 PM PST by Antoninus (The press has lost the ability to persuade. They retain the ability to foment a panic.)
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To: Hostage
Actually, there should be more states than the four defendant states presently named.

No other States (at least out of the closely contested ones) had the same issues. Texas isn't alleging any fraud in the lawsuit, we're only looking at the Constitutional issues with the States who allowed for voting that was NOT approved by the State Legislatures, who are the only ones, per the Constitution, who choose how the electors are selected. Governors, State SCs, etc have NO say in the matter.

Yes, there was definitely fraud all over the place in these States and others, but this lawsuit is not looking at that.
16 posted on 12/09/2020 8:11:09 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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AZ, NV had similar issues as PA, MI, WI, GA. More states are emerging with similar issues.

But your point goes not so much to fraud as it does how states carried out the election against their legislatures approved constitutional processes.

Good point.

There may still be other states added but the present four defendants hold enough Electoral votes to be ‘outcome-determinative’, so it’s enough for now.


17 posted on 12/10/2020 8:15:01 AM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Svartalfiar

Thinking on this further, the President’s lawsuit to intervene (join) Texas, is critical as it goes to real injury and claims FRAUD.

So fraud is a crucial item in the combined suit.

But Eastman says that first, SCOTUS must grant the President’s complaint of intervention.


18 posted on 12/10/2020 9:00:16 AM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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So at this crooked auction, only crooks can win the bids and take the goods. Is the court going to allow that?

Well they have so far. </s>

19 posted on 12/10/2020 4:29:21 PM PST by itsahoot (The ability to read auto correct is necessary to read my posts understanding them is another matter.)
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To: Hostage
AZ, NV had similar issues as PA, MI, WI, GA. More states are emerging with similar issues.

But your point goes not so much to fraud as it does how states carried out the election against their legislatures approved constitutional processes.

Good point.

There may still be other states added but the present four defendants hold enough Electoral votes to be ‘outcome-determinative’, so it’s enough for now.


AZ and NV did not have similar issues to those raised in the lawsuit. While they all (AZ, NV, plus the four defendents) did have large amounts of election fraud, that is not what this lawsuit is looking at. As you mention, this particular lawsuit is only the Constitutional violations, not the fraud. These four (any three of them) are enough to flip the election, IF the result is that they flip their elector slate. If they simply fail to appoint electors, split em 50-50, or stick with Biden anyway, then Biden still pulls out the win, ignoring any other issues independent of this suit. Other States won't be added, because none, to my knowledge, had those non-properly-Legislatively-approved methods added to their election process.
20 posted on 12/10/2020 5:39:37 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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