Posted on 11/22/2020 12:58:26 AM PST by redheadedshannon
I said post your numbers. Are you going to post any actual evidence that I'm wrong or just disparage the source?
Agreed! I’m 44 & I’ve been on here for 20 years as well. We need a little more realism than the Kraken, Qanon, Gateway Pundit stuff. I’d love if all of their theories were true, but I’m not going to sit around & depend on it. I believe there’s some amount of fraud occurring, but I’ve also known from the beginning that if evidence is not utterly overwhelming & apparent, then it won’t go anywhere. The media won’t prove it. You can’t depend on mainstream politicians to argue your case. You have to have an amazingly good & respected legal team, statisticians, fact finders & reputable types. The deck is stacked against you from the get go. This is why election security & as many barriers to fraud need to be championed & implemented at every level of government as possible BEFORE the election. Some of the blame for not doing that has to be borne by Trump, Republicans & our own voters for not demanding it & making sure that it was set in place before the election. I realize that Democrats use the courts to achieve their end goals. But I go into every election assuming that. My bigger question is: why have we not championed limits & laws on the judiciarys ability to do that in the first place. If a political party is gaming the governmental system then it becomes the responsibility of the opposition party & her voters to attempt to right that wrong. If we don’t, we cannot sit around & whine about it 😉
None of that matters......Trump still needs the votes he’s entitled to and that’s the bottom line.
That’s not going to be the bottom line. Join the real world. We can’t get to that point without those necessary safeguards in place beforehand. At this point we are pounding our heads against the wall, swearing there was overwhelming fraud & only producing theories, unexplained anomalies & affidavits that describe individual incidents of possible fraud but no claim of anything orchestrated or carried out as part of an organized scheme. A court, a legislature & the American public itself is not going to throw out or overturn an election based on smaller, individually occurring problems. We are going to need evidence of a plot & scheme to steal the election on a statewide & nationwide basis before we’d even get a foot in the door. And it would have to be clear as a bell type of evidence. I know President Trump was likely defrauded by Democrats in swing areas. I’ve always known that. But sorry to tell you- pounding our feet, yelling cheater & believing that right should triumph over wrong was never going to be enough. And believing anyone will “release the Kracken” is just daft at this point. The simple truth of the matter is that they would have released it by now. They wouldn’t be waiting until after states certify the election & waiting so close to the safe Harbor date to broadcast the best evidence of vote fraud. We have to stop fooling ourselves into believing this will be overturned or that Biden won’t take office. I want Trump to remain President, but he’s not going to be because we didnt have the safeguards in place or limits on judicial activist imposed election rules & that is the bottom line. Deal with it! The thing that needs to come of this & be our first priority before anything else is enacting election safeguards, paper ballots, 3 forms of identification, cleaning out voter rolls, checks, double checks, triple checks, recounts, observers at every table, no electronic cheating & enforced limits on the judiciary being able to weaken safeguards or change election laws unilaterally. That is realistically what we should be doing right this very second! Period! 😉
I'm going to repeat what I said -- I consider Rasmussen more of credible and unbiased source than National Review.
You, obviously, are siding with National Review, which has been vehemently anti-Trump from the time he first started running.
But, the primary point here, one you haven't addressed, is that the mail-in ballots in Georgia did not undergo the same signature verification that the ballots cast at the polling did -- that is signatures being crossed checked by signatures at the DMV or through other public records.
The rejection rate of mail-ins in Georgia, thus, only were rejected at a pathetically low 0.3% rate compared to the three percent rate in normal elections. That opened the door for rampant voter fraud.
And, yes, the lack of a signature verification will likely lead to frauf and cost Republicans both Senate seats.
Would you like to address that point?
Powell has more than witnesses and statistical analysis and pictures of votes flipping on tv in real-time, researchers have already got logs from the NYT’s data feed from Dominion the night of and see the entry records of votes being subtracted.
Will you quit. I’m about sick of the purity test b.s. some of y’all are throwing around on here. If someone dares challenge the tiniest thing, yall subject them to a tongue lashing, call them a sellout, a cuck or a Never Trump sympathizer. Strangely enough, you aren’t behaving much differently from Never Trumpers- you’re ripping down you’re own side! 🙄
Even the wimpy governor has acknowledged the problem.
And, it's a big concern for the run-offs. Anyone denying that is not facing reality.
Are you denying that the lack of signature verification for mail-in ballots in Georgia was a serious problem in the general election and is in the run-offs?
Stop whining about purity tests and address that issue.
Honey, I’m not questioning the voter fraud- I’m quite sure of it! I think Democrats have been doing this for a looonnnnggggg time. Anybody with half a brain knows it & we know it’s the Democrats & their friends doing it! But knowing instinctively that something is occurring & clearing the high bar to prove it in a court of law are two totally different things. The stuff that we have been presented proves our intuitions of cheating &may get our foot in the door- but it is not nearly enough to change the outcome. We know a specific high bar is going to be expected by the public, the legislature’s & definitely the courts. Its a standard expected in legal judicial law. In leveling a charge: the person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Proving guilt demands something direct, central & overwhelming. Something absolutely damning like direct video evidence showing an organized crime or a whistleblower attesting to an organized plot involving cheating would be the caliber of proof we need. An appearance of impropriety won’t be enough to overturn anything. Stringing together 500 individual incidences of errors, affadavits & flawed counting processes will do absolutely nothing to change things for us. I want it to be enough, because I know that they cheated! But I also know that what’s been shown so far isn’t going to help us prove to a sufficient standard to prevent the cheating from being certified. This isn’t about backbone. We aren’t going weak. We are trying to deal with reality & goo from there. The evidence shown is enough to prove in a political sense that we need tight oversight & multiple laws on every government level safeguarding our elections. We should enact the highest possible standards for election safeguarding: photo I.d.s, party ballot integrity oversight during counting, paper balloting, no judicial rewriting or weakening of election laws. This election has proven that. But the evidence shown so far will not be enough to clear the high bar needed to overturn the fraud in this election. And that’s the truth. I’m trying to come to terms with while also making damn sure this NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN!!! 😉
“The thing that needs to come of this & be our first priority before anything else is enacting election safeguards, paper ballots, 3 forms of identification, cleaning out voter rolls, checks, double checks, triple checks, recounts, observers at every table, no electronic cheating & enforced limits on the judiciary being able to weaken safeguards or change election laws unilaterally.”
You might as well try to change the color of the moon to green. All of these things to put out there require the agreement and cooperation of the Democrats....who just won by committing fraud. Fraud is now the standard for American elections and the Democrats aren’t going to budge one inch - they have the power now and the ability to keep it forever...because they count the votes. The Republicans, a party of cowards, isn’t even going to try any of these things. It is the very pinnacle of extreme naivety to think any of this can happen after a totalitarian party just took power through election fraud.
I pretty much agree with you.
The difference in this election and past ones is the level of voter fraud facilitated by the mail-in ballots and, possibly, electronically.
If Democrats get away with the rampant fraud they got away with this election, there is no reason why they won't do the same thing in every Presidential election.
This is more than about Trump. A Republican may never win the White House again without real election reforms. And, that is hill worth dying on.
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