Possibly permanently for the entire planet.
Posted on 11/19/2020 5:40:00 PM PST by Hojczyk
Here’s the problem: the townships and precincts listed in paragraphs 11 and 17 of the affidavit are not in Michigan. They are in Minnesota. Monticello, Albertville, Lake Lillian, Houston, Brownsville, Runeberg, Wolf Lake, Height of Land, Detroit Lakes, Frazee, Kandiyohi–these are all towns in Minnesota. I haven’t checked them all, but I checked a lot of them, and all locations listed in paragraphs 11 and 17 that I looked up are in Minnesota, with no corresponding township in Michigan. This would have been obvious to someone from this state,
Evidently a researcher, either Mr. Ramsland or someone working for him, was working with a database and confused “MI” for Minnesota with “MI” for Michigan. (The postal code for Minnesota is MN, while Michigan is MI, so one can see how this might happen.) So the affidavit, which addresses “anomalies and red flags” in Michigan, is based largely, and mistakenly, on data from Minnesota.
This is a catastrophic error, the kind of thing that causes a legal position to crash and burn. Trump’s lawyers are fighting an uphill battle, to put it mildly, and confusing Michigan with Minnesota will at best make the hill steeper. Credibility once lost is hard to regain. Possibly Trump’s lawyers have already discovered this appalling error, and have undertaken to correct it. But the Ramsland Affidavit was filed in Georgia just yesterday.
A postscript: has Mr. Ramsland inadvertently stumbled across evidence of voter fraud in Minnesota? I seriously doubt it. The venues in question are all in red Greater Minnesota, not in the blue urban areas where voter fraud is common.
Trump’s lawyers have not yet had their day in court, but they will have to do a great deal better than this if they hope to succeed.
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Even if so he doesn’t have the 270 required.
Common sense alone would tell anyone Biden didn’t win this. Heck saying he won more votes than Obama sure reveals the obvious in itself.
If a few state do NOT certify their elections the electors are OUT OF IT then it goes to the house 1 vote 1state WE control the number of states WE WIN!!{
Agree. Who would want to lose in order to appeal?
Is every case accepted for appeal? What percentage unless emergency action? What percentage of appeal cases are overturned?
It’s a big deal. Different courts. Different board of elections.
Ever notice in computer rather than typing in state you have to scroll down and click? A secretary working for an estate attorney once made an error clicked New Mexico rather than New York. Screwed up paper work until error was pointed by client. It happens. Must be fixed and sent to correct jurisdiction.
Good advice! I “saved” a case that I was a party to for those exact reasons. Paralegal screwed up the copy and left the wrong names in.
In a Supreme Court case?
If you say so.
Possibly permanently for the entire planet.
Misspelling a name in a caption title is not catastrophic
Maybe you can find a case where the verdict has been overturned just based on a spelling of a title. There is probably something out there that hinged on it...but mostly not.
What happened with this Michigan/Minnesota screw up is catastrophic..and borders on malpractice.
I agree.
You have it right.
Which leads me to another question and conclusion. From my POV it does not appear Trump has any chance whatsoever to be POTUS come January.
So, why go through all of this?
1. Service. The nation needs a cleansing that comes with sunlight.
2. Vengeance. Trump was never considered a legitimate POTUS by any media or any Democrat. He wants to give it back.
Both of them.
In federal court, every final order of a district court is appealable to the Circuit Court of Appeals, as is every grant or denial of an injunction. Other preliminary rulings (including those granting or denying a TRO) are generally not appealable until the whole case is over. A further appeal from a federal court of appeals to SCOTUS is discretionary with SCOTUS.
On the state level, some states are somewhat different, but most follow the federal model.
What percentage of appeal cases are overturned?
The average is about 15-20%, IIRC.
I agree with you that Trump’s chances are slim. CNN says that Trump has privately confirmed your second reason for him to wage this fight — payback. I don’t regard CNN as infallible (ha!) but this particular report has the ring of truth. No one could blame Trump for wanting revenge for the way he was treated.
In the long run, your first reason, cleansing through sunlight, may be the more important. Many Americans’ votes are “counted” on electronic machines where no meaningful recount is possible. Hackers have shown that the software can be altered to manipulate the totals. When that happens, a recount merely repeats the original phony result.
Democrats were complaining about this after Kerry lost. This year, GOP lawyers have cited a letter that several Dem Senators wrote last year. Maybe there will now be a bipartisan consensus for fair elections, because each party will worry about getting screwed by the other one.
Your generalization about appeals is correct. Because some Trump-related cases are pending in New York state courts, however, some FReepers may be interested in a respect in which New York state practice is unusual.
You note that, in the federal system and most states, appeals are largely restricted to final orders. In New York, by contrast, almost everything is appealable, including non-final (interlocutory) orders.
So far this has worked to Trump’s advantage. His interlocutory appeals have enabled him to delay the adverse consequences that would have otherwise ensued.
“Me too. But this post-election nonsense is BS.”
Not exactly sure what you mean.
There were rumors that these two Wayne County Republicans had the lives of their children threatened in order to persuade them to change their mind and certify.
It was in the New York Times. Described by someone as “disturbing reports” or something like that. Page 22 on November 19th.
It’s anyone’s guess what persuaded the legal firms to quit.
It’s either BS or the best thing that ever happened to us.
I have no dog in this fight, but the way this is evolving is quite similar to what happened in the UK with Jeremy Corbyn (I’m not comparing Trump to Corbyn).
Labour’s arch leftist leader inspired rallies of the converted, all convinced there was some huge conspiracy to undermine him from the start (which was partly true). And to give him his dues, occasionally Corbyn talked sense. (Because even a stopped clock can’t avoid being right twice a day.)
But as time went on it became obvious that there was no serious conspiracy to stop Corbyn ever winning because one wasn’t needed. Corbyn’s loss was self-inflicted. His support base grew for a while, then slowly drained away as it dawned on them that he had intentionally surrounded himself with incompetents, political enemies, anti-Semites, and commies... and of course, no amount of talking sense to him was getting through.
Corbyn lost his support base because of his profound lack of judgement not just on his own views and behavior but in his endless reliance on people who shouldn’t have been allowed to run a bake sale let alone a political party. The more he failed to address their failures and his own, the more his own support base decided he was more of a liability than an asset.
The same thing is happening within the GOP. Even people who can see Trumpism as the future for the party, are asking is Trump the right person to take it forward - if Trump genuinely can’t see any problem with his current legal strategy and thinks the only reason it’s failing is CONSPIRACY, then he’s a liability.
Rudi was wheeled out of retirement years after he stopped doing any meaningful litigation, to prosecute a case he doesn’t understand and can’t articulate. It is clear he isn’t up to the job. But he’s still there. Meanwhile, brighter minds have been kicked to the kerb simply for spotting big holes in the legal case that Rudi is leaving wide open.
Who’s going to tell Trump that if the case fails at SCOTUS level SOME fault will lie with his overrealiance on a tiny pool of not-very-competent people whose only qualification is that they’re inside his circle of trust?
Even with the deep state and MSM conspiring against the President, there’ll be a fair argument that Trump should’ve spent less time playing golf or tweeting, and more time on making sure his legal team wasn’t making him look like an ass.
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