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Climate Scientists Debunk ‘Point of No Return’ Paper Everyone’s Freaking Out About
gizmodo ^ | 11/13/2020 | Dharna Noor

Posted on 11/16/2020 11:16:29 AM PST by BenLurkin

On Thursday, a new study came out warning that even if we stopped emitting carbon dioxide, the world has reached the “point of no return” for climate change. The paper claims that’s because Arctic permafrost—carbon-rich, permanently frozen earth made of rocks, water, and dead wildlife—is melting irreversibly, and it could continue to heat the planet for centuries by releasing carbon dioxide. Terrifying, right?

The only solution, the authors indicate, is to suck carbon out of the air with carbon capture, which is yet unproven to work at scale, or to employ even more dangerous geoengineering technologies. The study’s results and conclusions have been covered widely and a bit breathlessly, but here’s the thing: The analysis has some big problems.

The problems with the study begin with its title, which refers to the “melting of permafrost.” That’s a red flag because as Merritt Turetsky, an ecologist who directs the Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research at the University of Colorado, Boulder, noted, permafrost thaws rather than melting.

They’re not climate scientists, they’re business school professors. And it shows in the report, because their model is simplistic. Climate researchers have spent decades building out models that account for the intricacies of the climate. More complex models, for instance, better illustrate the ocean’s circulation patterns, which can have a large effect on warming in the long term. They also more accurately display how much water vapor is in the atmosphere, which is short-lived but common natural source of warming. The new paper’s model misses a lot of this.

Yet another major flaw in the model also overestimates methane emissions’ warming potential. The authors claim that methane will be the chief driver of future temperature increases, but in doing so, they exaggerate the temperature increase that the methane concentrations in their model could produce.

(Excerpt) Read more at earther.gizmodo.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: climatechange; fake; fraud; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; greennewdeal; hoax; scam; science
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Guess I forgot to "freak out" on Friday. Over this anyway.

1 posted on 11/16/2020 11:16:29 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

I think in the past 50 years we’ve reached “the point of no return” about 34,000 times.


2 posted on 11/16/2020 11:18:35 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free equal justice under the law will never exist in the USA)
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To: BenLurkin

Entropy is winding down the Universe anyway, so why worry?


3 posted on 11/16/2020 11:19:36 AM PST by qwertyz
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To: BenLurkin

Pretty sure the point of no return will be The Rapture.


4 posted on 11/16/2020 11:20:31 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The sooner we do, the happier I’ll be Because then the lefties will stop pushing their “climate” communism on us.

Of course, that is why the “point of no return” will always be the day after tomorrow.


5 posted on 11/16/2020 11:21:27 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Since the climate is always changing, we’ve been at the point of no return since the world began.


6 posted on 11/16/2020 11:21:32 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

We shouldn't be arguing about global warming anyway. We should embrace having a little warming.


The medieval warming period caused much of the world to flourish from an increase in crop yields. Then the "little ice age" occurred and lowered crop yields, casing some great famines, and making sea levels drop.


Since then we've had a mild warming to revert to normal and should be glad we are, without trying to blame cars or cow farts over something that happens naturally every few centuries and is a good thing anyway.

7 posted on 11/16/2020 11:22:06 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

“I think in the past 50 years we’ve reached “the point of no return” about 34,000 times.”

Oh, but now with the communists in charge, we WILL fight climate change! There will be billions upon billions of dollars poured into leftist coffers in order to mitigate that change by 0.1*C over 100 years.

It’s for the children.


8 posted on 11/16/2020 11:22:25 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: BenLurkin

“In Scenario 1 the temperature passes a temporary peak around 2075 at + 2.3 °C above pre-industrial times. The temperature then falls for 75 years (2075–2150) to + 2 °C. “

We should panic?


9 posted on 11/16/2020 11:24:56 AM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: BenLurkin

we’re at 400 ppm or so- this world has seen over what? 1000 ppm and survived? life didn’t cease- nothing spontaneously bursted into flames- or suffocated-

point of no return? We’re not even close-


10 posted on 11/16/2020 11:29:32 AM PST by Bob434
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To: BenLurkin

Of course, that is why the “point of no return” will always be the day after tomorrow.

I had a dog and his name was BINGO.

11 posted on 11/16/2020 11:30:10 AM PST by usurper ( version )
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To: BenLurkin

If only there was an natural, organic way to remove CO2 from the atmosphere.

Oh, wait...



12 posted on 11/16/2020 11:35:08 AM PST by Bratch
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Like the time when Ted Danson said that unless we DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW both coasts will be under watet within 10 years. He said that in 1988. Too bad he can’t go back to his old gig as Sam the bartender in Cheers. At least that was somewhat entertaining.


13 posted on 11/16/2020 11:49:21 AM PST by Impala64ssa (Virtue signalling is no virtue)
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To: qwertyz

Entropy is winding down the Universe anyway, so why worry?

Entropy sucks. But not like it used to.

14 posted on 11/16/2020 11:49:26 AM PST by DarthFuzball ("Life is full of little surprises." - Pandora)
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To: BenLurkin

Well there goes all plant life.
No CO2 for plants and less oxygen for everyone.
Sounds like a great plan.
Way to go Scientist’s.

Bunch of Buffoons.


15 posted on 11/16/2020 11:52:04 AM PST by Pez149
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To: BenLurkin

IMHO the ONLY way to stop this is that all people who are ignorant enough to believe in man made global warming should immediately KILL THEMSELVES.


16 posted on 11/16/2020 11:53:02 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: BenLurkin

As opposed to climatologists, “climate scientists” are BOGUS!!!!

Business school professors posing as “climate experts” are even more BOGUS!!!!

As shown by California, “renewable” energy is incapable of powering a 21st century economy!

So if we want to control CO2, we need other alternatives:

“sucking it out of the air”
using “gasp!” nuclear power,
developing fusion power!!!!

Any other ideas?


17 posted on 11/16/2020 11:58:54 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: woodbutcher1963

“IMHO the ONLY way to stop this is that all people who are ignorant enough to believe in man made global warming should immediately KILL THEMSELVES.”

If you take the global warming idealogy to its logical conclusion then they have to reduce population to effect the change they are after.


18 posted on 11/16/2020 11:59:20 AM PST by plain talk
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To: BenLurkin

Beach front condos in Greenland


19 posted on 11/16/2020 11:59:51 AM PST by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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To: BenLurkin

Every “point” is a “point of no return”


20 posted on 11/16/2020 12:16:59 PM PST by motor_racer (Who will bell the cat?)
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