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Climate Scientists Debunk ‘Point of No Return’ Paper Everyone’s Freaking Out About
gizmodo ^ | 11/13/2020 | Dharna Noor

Posted on 11/16/2020 11:16:29 AM PST by BenLurkin

On Thursday, a new study came out warning that even if we stopped emitting carbon dioxide, the world has reached the “point of no return” for climate change. The paper claims that’s because Arctic permafrost—carbon-rich, permanently frozen earth made of rocks, water, and dead wildlife—is melting irreversibly, and it could continue to heat the planet for centuries by releasing carbon dioxide. Terrifying, right?

The only solution, the authors indicate, is to suck carbon out of the air with carbon capture, which is yet unproven to work at scale, or to employ even more dangerous geoengineering technologies. The study’s results and conclusions have been covered widely and a bit breathlessly, but here’s the thing: The analysis has some big problems.

The problems with the study begin with its title, which refers to the “melting of permafrost.” That’s a red flag because as Merritt Turetsky, an ecologist who directs the Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research at the University of Colorado, Boulder, noted, permafrost thaws rather than melting.

They’re not climate scientists, they’re business school professors. And it shows in the report, because their model is simplistic. Climate researchers have spent decades building out models that account for the intricacies of the climate. More complex models, for instance, better illustrate the ocean’s circulation patterns, which can have a large effect on warming in the long term. They also more accurately display how much water vapor is in the atmosphere, which is short-lived but common natural source of warming. The new paper’s model misses a lot of this.

Yet another major flaw in the model also overestimates methane emissions’ warming potential. The authors claim that methane will be the chief driver of future temperature increases, but in doing so, they exaggerate the temperature increase that the methane concentrations in their model could produce.

(Excerpt) Read more at earther.gizmodo.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: climatechange; fake; fraud; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; greennewdeal; hoax; scam; science
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To: BenLurkin

Heck I was hoping this would be full of data worthy of the “debunk” moniker. It isn’t. It’s just a little internecine spat over a particular source of greenhosing — not a dressdown of the spurious data and premises of the stupid meme.


21 posted on 11/16/2020 12:22:40 PM PST by Migraine ( Liberalism is great (until it happens to YOU).)
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To: BenLurkin

bkmk


22 posted on 11/16/2020 12:57:06 PM PST by sauropod (Let them eat kale. I will not comply. Sic semper evello mortem tyrannis. This is how Democracy dies.)
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To: Bratch

We are removing CO2 every day when we take out the garbage.

What’s in our trash? Paper, plastic, tossed out food — a large percentage of that is carbon.

Where does it go? To landfills, to be buried.


23 posted on 11/16/2020 1:03:26 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: BenLurkin

Termites produce more methane emissions than humans.

Better call the Orkin Man.


24 posted on 11/16/2020 1:06:09 PM PST by rfp1234 (Caveat Emperor)
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To: BenLurkin

According to the United Nations then head of the UN Sec-Gen Ban Ki-Moon, the point of no return was in 2012. The IPCC issued no correction or criticism.


25 posted on 11/16/2020 1:07:15 PM PST by cookcounty (Susan Rice: G Gordon Liddy times 10.)
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To: BenLurkin

If you want to reduce carbon in the atmosphere, stop recycling paper.

Paper is made from trees that are planted by people as crops, like corn or wheat only it takes longer to grow. If you recycle paper, there is less demand for new paper and fewer trees are planted. If you send paper to a landfill, more trees are planted and the carbon in the old paper is encapsulated and removed from the atmosphere for hundreds or thousands of years.


26 posted on 11/16/2020 1:25:05 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation has ended! Fight the Return of Biden the Demented!)
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To: BenLurkin

We used to LOCK people in asylums for believing they could “Control the Weather”, why did we stop??


27 posted on 11/16/2020 5:37:25 PM PST by eyeamok
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