Posted on 11/08/2020 8:04:58 PM PST by Sense
Arizona:
They could be holding Arizona apart, with it having a slam dunk proof of fraud, just keeping it in reserve, while not putting it in the same basket with the others... to enable taking an alternative path, if required. Georgia has similar proofs... only the evidence of fraud is being suppressed by state officials in Georgia, where in Arizona it is not that simple.
Arizona held in reserve also creates a bit of a counter to the threats coming from the left... because if the officials lack courage, and don’t do the right thing... and THEN Arizona proves a massive fraud and blows the lid off the suppression... ?
Personally, I think the left are WAY out ahead of their skiis in thinking they can threaten... everyone... up to and including legislators and Justices... and get away with it... by suppressing the news of it to provide cover.
For now, though, this court action looks like it is sufficient to prevent the outbreak of a larger civil war. Texas left that out of the filing... that “if you want the civil war to start sooner, choose a nearer date to toss this out” ?
If the court refuses to take the case ?
My guess is the Revolutionary War, act II starts then...
The left has already deployed their militia, have taken over a few cities, burned a few down... they’re threatening people, including poll watchers, legislators, judges and Justices, while becoming increasingly aggressive about it. And, the left has already taken over the mass of the digital media, along with the media formerly known as mainstream... never mind the craziness apparent in their declarations of martial law imposed under the pretense that it is a virus, not a government, forcing your small business (not Walmart or McDonalds) out of business.
Thus far, the response from the right has been... be patient... let the process play out... attend another Trump rally... change the channel from Fox to something new, and be pleasantly surprised by the choice... etc.
As Youtube doubles down, today, on signing themselves up to deliberately suppressing public awareness of the evidence of fraud and the associated crimes that ARE being committed ?
Suppressing awareness of crimes against the people... and crimes against the Constitution... seems like it would require they’re participants in a conspiracy... with those who are actively perpetrating the crimes ?
How is the policy Google unveiled today being coordinated with others ?
Google today is self-identifying not as “biased” but as a public enemy... intent on suppressing freedom of speech as a means... to the end of suppressing awareness of the evidence that crimes are being committed. What laws does that break ? Hard to say, still, if they’re self-identifying as a foreign enemy or a domestic enemy ?
When they take down the internet on the 20th... as it seems they’ve conspired to do ?
The civil war has been raging “secretly” for a long time already... only kept hidden as a war waged between participants inside the deep state. Now, with a “win” in this election, the left is contemplating finishing their planned takeover of the deep state... consolidating control over it... and then moving to unmask their takeover while extending it to the public.
Of course, you can’t miss what they’ve been doing already.
But, seeing things that way now, and you’ll immediately begin seeing more than they want you to. Even after 4 solid years of war waged on Trump, many still fail to see that for what it is ?
Trump just cut off a huge chunk of the CIA’s covert budget and travel.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3914105/posts
One comment on the thread notes it terminates the ability of the CIA to run “counter-terrorism” operations which includes ending CIA drug running. I know how that works, and that’s right. It means “they” (the CIA?) won’t be able to use USAF aircraft to bring drugs into the country while the military prevents customs intervention and provides the security to protect that op. That’s not a minor thing... as it massively defunds the “CIA”’s covert “self generated” budget.
The Deep State... is being put on a serious budgetary diet.
What happens when the $ dries up ?
The timing is telling, too... as it is operative on 5 January... the day prior to the 6th of January meeting of the joint session held to count the votes of electors.
My shortest possible summary of “where we are now”:
The Texas suit “avoids fraud”... only by focusing on the error generated in the product of it, rather than its origin. Those states that failed to follow the law in conducting elections don’t have to be convicted of a conspiracy to defraud... or sedition or treason... they only have to not be allowed to succeed. (For now... )
The TX case is well crafted and should succeed. Roughly a snowballs chance in hell the court won’t take the case. Should know more this afternoon... or tomorrow.
Then what ? Look beyond the case, assuming it succeeds fully, and the operative law is 3USC2... which says if the states botch an election, as they have, the legislatures choose the electors. And, 3USC2 obviates the “safe harbor” timing issues. If a state fails in that task... then that state has no vote... and what happens still depends on the vote of the other states, as held on 6 January... which is the next timing element required. Note, the law and its requirements in 3USC2 are not dependant on the SCOTUS decision in order to be made operative ? But, the court probably will direct “follow the law” in result of the case.
On or after January 6, if a candidate wins a majority of electors, after all the (many and substantive) relevant objections to electors are resolved as required... they win.
If there is still no majority at that point... then the House decides the President, the Senate the VP... and all kinds of crazy outcomes are made possible in result. (President Harris... and VP Trump ?)
So, what matters, now ? Sidney Powell’s suits... and the suit in PA... have NOT ended. PA was denied injunctive relief, only... which is obviated by the TX suit asking the same thing... and their case remains active.
The issue of fraud... isn’t relevant now in the TX ask in their SCOTUS briefs... but it could become relevant under original jurisdiction... if the court asks for more in terms of the facts in evidence ?
But, otherwise, the proofs of fraud will only matter in relation to the politics conducted in the process of state legislatures or the U.S. Congress determining its relevance in influencing their choices.
The media attempt to prevent discussion of fraud... seen in context of the relevance of the subject ?
They’re not letting you talk about it... but great progress has been made in unwinding the frauds that were practiced.
The most obvious is that the “failure to follow the law” in some states that is the subject of the TX objection at the SCOTUS... was not a random event... but a product of a conspiracy to “avoid following the law”.
The Powell effort focused on computers and machines... has also borne fruit (has fully cracked the algorithm that was used) and that connects dots with other issues... in a way that rises to a level that is sufficient to operate as legal proof...
If state courts or lower courts refuse to see it... the SCOTUS can exercise original jurisdiction and take a look...
And, of course, the legislatures (prior to January 6) and the Congress (on and after January 6) will be REQUIRED to investigate it and reach agreement without the interferences of the perpetrators “investigating themselves” in fake recounts, etc.
How those objections are written... will matter ?
And, of course, the election of Senators in Georgia will matter.
But, the only timing elements that matter: Jan 6 and Jan 20.
What I’d like to see...
Is SCOTUS granting TX their asks... in orders... without issuing any decision that ends the case... just leaving the case open to hear the evidence they might need to hear, only when the court’s grant of discovery is ripe... which likely will not occur until after the state legislatures and the Congress have completed their required investigations of the various aspects of the disputes engaged in the election of electors ?
Now that all the states have certified their votes ?
Which ones fraudulently certified fraudulent votes ?
Georgia is proving it “could be” fraud, now... only after letting the perps put themselves on the hook.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3914108/posts?q=1&;page=21
I should note that my prior post contained:
“Note, the law and its requirements in 3USC2 are not dependent on the SCOTUS decision in order to be made operative ? But, the court probably will direct “follow the law” in result of the case.”
The court could, of course use that fact in not taking up the case... unless there are other issues in the briefs (or not) that require that they should.
It is possible that they could “grant the relief” requested while doing so by refusing to take the case.
But, if people were following the law, we wouldn’t be before the court asking those others be directed to follow it ?
Bannon: “Arizona Senate Judiciary Committee to hold a virtual hearing tomorrow... WITH SUBPOENA POWER... to hear testimony and view evidence.”
Now that the state officials have all signed off on the fraudulently created vote totals, under penalty of perjury, by certifying them as legitimate... State legislatures in those states will be looking at the issues, for the first time, in a way that matters. None of the prior hearings have used subpoena power, or held witnesses or officials under oath while testifying. Many officials have refused to attend those events, even after having said they would, in spite of not being sworn in. Turning the heat up a notch now... probably explains why Youtube is saying they’ll ban talk of fraud ? But, late today, backed off to say they would implement it after January 20th ? LOL!!! Wanna bet they change their mind when Trump wins ?
So, the point... the first “real” investigations of fraud... begin starting tomorrow. The noise thus far has only been about sussing it out... not proving it.
Note that the only real impact of the “safe harbor” deadline... was in encouraging the state officials to sign off on certifying the frauds as “not fraud” by a date certain. Now that the date has come and gone... no one cares... it clearly has had no other impact ?
However, as the real fraud investigations begin... the public is already aware enough that we’re seeing media attempts to ban OTHERS talking about it ? Good job to all those who’ve kept the pressure on... and made people take note... not allowing it to go away. Vindication soon ?
If you’ve been following the lawsuits... as the state judges have worked to oppose them and downplay their significance, you will already be aware that they’ve developed significant and compelling evidence of fraud. The efforts made have allowed them to refine their presentation of that collected information, even as it continues to snowball over time, adding more mass as the ball rolls downhill and accelerates. Some elements of that evidence we know exists, developed through the public process seeking it, are incontrovertible in showing that potential existed to enable fraud. A few instances exist showing that potential being acted upon... and there is a mass of forensic information connecting “potential” to “what had to have happened” to a very high probability. Left to be revealed: smoking guns showing that was in fact the plan... and the plan was executed.
Odds are you’d never get that... without a grant of power to engage in discovery ? A court can give that... including the Supreme Court under its original jurisdiction. Or, a legislature can grant itself that power ? The key is knowing where to look, and what to look for, before you start looking. So, it appears that’s known, now, and discovery is coming... unless, there’s already a parallel grant enabling fulfillment with a simple request ?
Perhaps... EO13848 has resulted in evidence in hand ? Perhaps the server in Germany... will turn out to be a real story, and not fiction ? Are they the same thing ?
A quick search (”Germany”)on FR shows... as the number of rough “close to source” articles grew and then died down after November 8th, the story continued to expanded, and then crept into analysis in more “mainstream” sources:
11/29, American Thinker:
New reports about election manipulation read like a Tom Clancy novel
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3910443/posts
12/03, The Spectator:
So, What’s Going On with the Server Reportedly Obtained in a Raid in Germany Related to the 2020 Election?
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3912072/posts
We already knew there was a big surge of traffic out of Germany on election night... which the Germans reported as it broke records. Now we also have a map showing that traffic flowing between Germany and hubs in the U.S., with no other explanation for a big surge between Germany and the U.S. other than the election. And, it is said, there is more than a map of the traffic... but that we have both the “hardware” and the “packets”... meaning the actual data, not just a map of the route it took in flowing from the US to Germany.
I doubt this gets resolved... until it is delivered as testimony (or not) in a hearing with subpoena power, whether that happens in Arizona, at the SCOTUS, or before the Congress when they do their investigations of contested electors.
I wonder what Q stands for ?
I wonder why Q drives Democrats so crazy ?
I wonder why Democrats are so crazy tone deaf that they genuinely believe that Americans outside the liberal echo chamber won’t care... if Democrats out themselves as knowingly working for Chinese interests, rather than for American’s ?
I wonder if there’s a relationship between the evidence emerging, showing MANY Democrats taking money and working for China, and the events of the election ?
Coincidence that there’s a $400 million dollar connection between China and the company, Dominion, responsible for the election fraud ?
Was it also coincidence that Biden was outed as bought by the Chinese... just before the election... and more coincidence that the liberal media did all they could to suppress the news ?
Just coincidence that Google hires software engineers who worked for the CCP... as they work to remove conservative thought from the web, while removing our right to free speech ?
And, Swalwell... was known to be taking money from and sleeping with a Chinese spy when Adam Schiff appointed him to the Intel Committee ?
And Nancy Pelosi knew about that ? And now, this bit in the news about Nancy, today, is NOT satire from the Onion ?
Pelosi: Only “QAnon Delegation” In GOP Cares About Swalwell Ties To Alleged Chinese Spy
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3914195/posts
If Pelosi believes that... why didn’t she have Democrats campaign on a “Make China Greater than America” platform ?
I do know how annoying it is to ask such questions, when there aren’t any answers that work for those who need to provide the answers...
So, enough Questions for today...
Maybe not ?
The problem with questions, is that once asked, they don’t just go away ? Most journalism is eminently forgettable, but if it addresses burning issues of the day with questions that need answering, and there are no answers ?
What is journalism ?
Who? What? Where? When? Why? How? Who cares?
Socrates knew questions are not statements of fact ?
Why don’t journalists ask real questions, today, instead of making statements ?
Read everything... with an eye cocked to look for the questions that aren’t asked, much less answered, and what will you find ?
And, when you ask those questions others have intentionally not asked... what will be the impact ?
A quick comment on the PA response.
It doesn’t appear to address the issues raised in the TX filing.
It appears it responds to what they thought the TX filing would be, rather than what it is, while they try hard to mischaracterize the filing as if it were what they want it to be, and not what it is.
Apparently, Sidney pounding fraud... has them responding to claims of “fraud” in their reply to the TX suit, when the TX suit doesn’t ever address it.
They rail against Texas for asking the court to make Trump president... and ask the court to not do that... when the TX filing is as clear as it can be, and deliberately makes it plain, that they are NOT asking for that.
Either the lawyers are morons... or they think pretending to not understand the TX arguments... will confuse the Justices into not understanding them, or allow them to pretend they don’t ?
Its truly embarrassing. Can’t recall having seen anything worse, ever, presented at this level.
It makes it VERY clear they were not prepared to be called on to respond to the arguments TX made, or to rebut the remedies asked.
On the face of it, if it is decided on the “merits” presented today... I’d give TX the win.
Biggest failing in the PA response...
They spend a lot of time addressing and castigating Texas for all the many suits filed and not won by others in the many states (many of which cases are not yet resolved, contain clear error, and might also be taken up by the Supreme Court) while claiming the complaint Texas filed is not substantively different than those others... and thus should be dismissed with derision.
“Again, as detailed above, other litigants have pursued many of the identical claims in state courts, lower federal courts, and in this Court’s appellate jurisdiction.Texas has not demonstrated that the merits of its claims, already considered and rejected by trial and appellate courts across the Nation, are somehow different.”
“This Court’s original jurisdiction is not an avenue to circumvent the regular certiorari process when claims have been repeatedly rejected by lower courts on the merits.”
This ignores a few things...
First, Texas is not a party to and is not responsible for others actions, nor are its interests either intrinsically parallel to or controlled by them.
Second, it ignores that none of those other cases were about the core issue Texas raises... in multiple states changing their conduct of elections and conducting their elections outside of the requirements of the law, or following law that violates the Constitution, or by altering law in the manner, and altering the law by means that are outside the specific, directive, requirements imposed by the U.S. Constitution.
Third, in dismissing Texas actions in pursing its interests as frivolous, and ridiculing the track record of others suits in inferior courts, they ignore that in the one other instance where the same concerns have been raised... the Pennsylvania case... the court has already mooted the issue.
In effect... the PA response to Texas slaps the SCOTUS in the face for having taken up the PA case... which case the court HAS NOT dismissed...
I have never seen any filing anywhere that is a clearer instance of attorneys shooting themselves in the feet... if not something more vital.
I’ve made other comments on the PA response following here:
BREAKING: Pennsylvania’s House of Representatives Joins Texas in Suit Against Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and Georgia
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3914194/posts?page=98#97
Also ridiculous:
“According to Texas, the alleged violations of Pennsylvania’s Election Code undermined the authority granted to the Pennsylvania General Assembly under the Electors Clause.8Motion at 3, 10-11, 13-15. But as the text of the Electors Clause itself makes clear, the injury caused by the alleged usurpation of the General Assembly’s constitutional authority belongs to that institution...”
which institution (you had to see this coming ?) has just joined the lawsuit claiming their authority was in fact wrongly usurped...
BREAKING: Pennsylvania’s House of Representatives Joins Texas in Suit Against Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and Georgia
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3914287/posts
Beyond ridiculous:
“Texas has no sovereign or quasi-sovereign interest at stake. It is a nominal party, at best.”
Texas seems to think that other states have to sustain their agreement to fully and willingly abide by their own laws, in good faith, abide by the laws of the United States, in good faith, and comply with the Constitution, in good faith, and if they do not, and if they will not be corrected in the need to sustain that commitment, then the Constitution has been dissolved:
Texit? State representative will file bill to allow Texas to secede from the United States
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3914330/posts
The Pennsylvania response... is a NON-SERIOUS effort.
It is a clown show. They appear unaware of the facts and the law, not only in relation to specifics in the complaint they’re responding to... but even in how they relate to their own arguments in response.
They are badly confused on the courts own criteria for hearing cases under original jurisdiction... even conflating cases between states with cases between states and individuals in other states... apparently hoping the Justices will fail to notice that Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and Georgia are not persons, but states, thus hoping they’ll chose to not take a case between a state and persons in another state ? And, all of it is that bad...
It is so bad that it is painful to read... and it makes it painfully clear that the defendants are (deliberately ?) ignorant of both the facts and the law... are not depending on an informed, much less a fully proper and skilled reading of the law, or their skills in argument as lawyers to succeed...
What are they expecting in this should enable a success ?
Whatever it is, it isn’t really present in this filing.
They phoned it in ? Too busy making other plans ?
Having read enough... my take on it...
Either Texas wins... or if this pile of garbage in a reply “succeeds” in preventing that... Texas probably (and, in that case, quite probably rightly) secedes...
I’ve mostly dismissed this sort of language, before now...
‘There cannot be a peaceful coexistence’: Rush Limbaugh says the US is ‘trending towards SECESSION’
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3914332/posts
More popping up on the Server / CIA war with the military:
1. The story on Gina Haspel being killed in the firefight that supposedly took place in Germany still taking on a life of its own... now somewhere between “Gina is Dead” being heard on an album if you play it backwards, and the SNL running gag as “In further news, Generalisimo Francisco Franco is still dead”.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3914315/posts
2. The MSM lagging a bit behind the timeline in reporting here while badly soft-selling the fact of it in a vapid effort, this from 3pm today:
Pentagon weighs cutting most of its support to CIA’s counter-terrorism missions
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3914322/posts
References this from yesterday as “first” to report it:
https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2020/12/trump-officials-reviewing-dod-support-cia/170651/
3. This SPECTACULAR report by The New American is from the 8th of December, a full day before the “first” report from defenseone... and it is VASTLY MORE IMPORTANT than the vapid reporting of MSM or the slick, glossy war porn purveyors... Watch the linked Youtube video... for actual context re National Security Action Memorandum 57... it links next to MacInerny’s presentation re the CIA Server War for context, but that’s followed by quite well reasoned analysis and actual HISTORY... Well worth the time spent watching this:
Battle Between the CIA and DoD?
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3914307/posts
WATCH THIS VIDEO:
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/KI53BoelnT4?feature=oembed
Michigan: Official Suppression of Election Fraud ?
Judge Denies Publication of Forensic Audit of Dominion Machines in Antrim County
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3914391/posts
Biden Corruption Suddenly Exposed - Dominates Headlines Today ?
Consistent with other news recently showing Harris is now acting aggressively in throwing Biden under the bus:
There’s a reason the media is suddenly reporting on Hunter Biden’s corruption; An article in The New York Times essentially confirms why the Hunter Biden story is suddenly Page One news
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3914403/posts
Barr Urged to Appoint Special Counsel ? By withholding its existence and the strong evidence against not just Hunter but the entire Biden family, Barr heinously influenced the outcome of the general election.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3914386/posts
Barr Worked to Keep Hunter Biden Probes From Public View During Election
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3914465/posts
FNC’s Wallace: AG Barr ‘Was Playing It by the Book’ by Not Announcing Hunter Biden Investigation
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3914481/posts
But, Barr’s vision of “the book” ensures DOJ helps to elect criminals to positions of power ? The country might not survive the latest round of Barr’s unilateral manipulation of law weaponized in the “public” interest ?
Trump Blasts FBI, DOJ Over Hunter Biden Investigation
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3914489/posts
Trump understates his case. The DOJ protected a criminal because he was running for office. Now the election is over, so they’ll prosecute... leaving us stuck with a failed election... because CRIMINALS CHEAT with DOJ protection.
The DOJ appears more than willing to cooperate with “the plan” to protect Biden to help him win, then attack Biden to make sure the win they enabled hands power to some other...
New Details in Hunter Biden’s ‘Tax Affairs’ Investigation Expose the Media For Intentional Suppression of Information
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3914463/posts
Former Special Forces Officer Warns of Color Revolution Tactics Used Against Trump
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3914495/posts
Texas Response to Defendants Filings
It’s not even close...
PA, MI, WI, GA... just making stuff up as an excuse to cover their deliberate violations of the law in the conduct of elections... and the Texas reply calls them out on it.
They’re wrong on the law, wrong on the facts... and they’re disrespecting the court in their filings...
I’ll be very surprised if SCOTUS “drops” the case... given Texas successful presentation of facts, logic and law opposed to defendants badly spun excuses.
They got caught... and Texas is taking em to the woodshed.
Note the attachments to Tx filing: sworn statements by their statistical analyst and a poll watcher...
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