[freedumb2003]

So now you stray into abiogenesis.

You can cut and paste until the cows come home and it changes nothing. If it is supernatural it is NOT science. All the torrent of words you can paste undermine your argument by hand waving.

Repeat: supernatural is not science.

I can spell it out for you but I cannot understand it for you.

[Heartlander]

Abiogenesis? A reproducing cell is how evolution starts - did not think I would need to explain that to you. Again, even the first cell would need the ability to reproduce - and the many items necessary for this to occur would need to be already encoded in the DNA. This would require forethought from the very beginning.. Please explain how this logic is flawed.

“virtually all of science proceeds as if ID is true – it seeks elegant and efficient models; it reverse engineers biological systems; it describes evolution in teleological terms; it refers to natural forces and laws as if there is some kind of prescriptive agency guiding matter and energy; it assumes that the nature of the universe and human comprehensive capacity have some sort of truthful, factual correspondence.”
– William J Murray