Posted on 09/30/2020 6:49:53 AM PDT by Lazamataz
Candidate Biden exceeded expectations and did well. He showed up, he had cogent moments, and he made very few verbal stumbles. Biden spoke a lot of lies but he was smooth in his delivery. However -- surprisingly -- I am seeing even liberal organs (such as the New York Times) call him out on those.
President Trump did very well, and in certain segments he definitely rocked. However, he interrupted and spoke over people too much. It came across as too aggressive. It also didn't allow Biden to have the chance to hang himself. Trump's performance did not knock Biden out. It was a missed opportunity.
I think Trump did very well on law and order, and on the economy, and especially on reopening America fully. I think those are the really important issues right now. People are tired of the lockdowns, the restrictions, and the virus. They want to move back toward a normal life. Trump did do a good job of framing that.
Biden did a good job looking into the camera and speaking directly to the people. He also had emotional tones in his voice at times, and that connects very well with suburban moms. Because he 'emoted' and Trump did not, I think Biden gets a big boost with the suburban mom crowd from this.
I think Trump wasted a lot of time with the Hunter Biden stuff. People don’t care. Biden was smart not to hammer the Trump tax stuff too much. Again, people don’t care.
I don’t think Biden’s renouncing of the Green New Deal or other leftwing agendas will hurt him too much, because the left will figure, “Well who ELSE am I going to vote for?” On the other hand, there were several occasions when Biden simply was not able to answer a direct question, and I think that hurts him with independent men.
I also see that while Trump will be likely losing some suburban moms for his being aggressive, he’s picking up 66% approvals from Hispanics and many black men for the no-BS nature.
On the whole, I'd say this debate was a wash.
There is also the observation that incumbent Presidents do horribly in their first debate. Remember Pappy Bush against Clinton? GW Bush against Kerry? Obama against Romney? Even Reagan against Mondale went spectacularly wrong. Incumbent presidents generally return with much better performances. The fact that Trump had anything close to a tie, means Trump did well.
I've heard people from both sides say that their man did poorly. That made me realize something: We tend to notice our side's mistakes much more and not the other side's. We end up being hyper-critical of our guy. I was interested when I heard that folk on Democrat Underground were very upset with Biden's performance. That's when this premise occurred to me... OF COURSE! We, on either side, want OUR guy to perform perfectly. The Left says, "Biden did THAT wrong and should have done THIS", and the Right says: "Trump did THIS wrong and should have done THAT!"
We cannot trust the media polls about this debate, at all. Frankly, with the planned (and announced) fraud, I suspect we cannot trust the poll that will occur the entire month of November, instead of November third, when it should have been decided.
Both candidates communicated badly but Biden shot himself on the foot multiple times. Against the green new deal? Against medicare for all? He definitely lost votes. Many democrats are single issue voters.
And leaves the question of what the hell he is for. Not answering if he’ll pack the supreme court? I’d say this is something voters should know. Will the media let him get away with it?
All I could come up with was IMO TRUMP SUCKED, which hasn't made any friends here. I was disappointed Trump didn't use his best argument for at least three questions (economy, covid and why he is the better man for President), to wit;
A laundry list of his accomplishments that are successful and well documented especially to the democrats.
He attempted to chasten the democrats about democrat run bodies, but it never got out correctly.
Concur. It will interesting to see how each candidate adjusts their game plan for debate number two. Trump will be better served, in my opinion, if he asks Biden a question and then just let’s him have at it.
In a way Trump saved Biden from himself. I’m anxiously awaiting Rush’s critique.
All good. Except he should hammer home the Hunter Biden corruption even more forcefully, with the ramifications: bribery, undue foreign influence, public lying, possibility of national security compromise. People do care.
>>I think Trump wasted a lot of time with the Hunter Biden stuff. People don’t care. Biden was smart not to hammer the Trump tax stuff too much. Again, people don’t care.
Difference was it was the supposed “moderator” who told lies about Trump’s taxes and Charlottesville.
It wasn’t Biden who “went there”. When the moderator interjects partisan lies into the narrative it is time to dig back and Hunter Biden is dirty and creepy and Joe knows it. Joe didn’t even counter Hunter’s bastard child among his grandkids (in past interviews).
Cue the photo of the Burisma exec with Joe and Hunter on the golf course (a “place” Joe Biden repeatedly tried to use to taint President Trump in the debate)
I hear your points and respect your position. I do foresee Trump returning with some adjustments to his approach.
>>Biden may have had his “Gerald Ford” moment, when he stated that “Antifa is an idea.”.
This is what the leftists say isn’t it?
ISIS doesn’t exist. Anyone can be ISIS.
Communism doesn’t exist because real Communism hasn’t been tried.
Etc
Funny how Joe BiteMe couldn’t even denounce the IDEA of “Antifa” which calls ALL police Fascists and Bastards.
I’d like to see a debate where the moderator does nothing more than enforce the time rules. Let the candidates come up with their own questions. To me, Wallace’s questions were biased.
I, and apparently many others based on the comments, went onto YouTube last night and rewatched the Nixon/Kennedy Debate.
My God, how far we have fallen since then.
It's been a fascinating political storm over the past four years. I've learned a lot of about nasty, low-down propaganda warfare, almost all waged by the far-left wing of the Democratic Party that seems to have taken control of the party. I've often wished that "The Donald" were much more polished in his verbal tussles, but then would he have won in 2016? There's a definite strain of anti-intellectualism in the United States. Perhaps this kind of chaotic verbal boxing is exactly how to win national office. I favored Ted Cruz in the 2016 primaries, but one now strongly suspects that he would have been too slick for his own good. It's an interesting question.
Ach, well. The million-dollar question is how the teeming masses of undecided voters will react to the debates and to any "October Surprises" that pop up in the coming weeks. The Sturm und Drang of any major political campaign seems more often than not to come down to the last weeks of propaganda and counter-propaganda warfare for the hearts and minds of undecideds.
A) Chuck is unwittingly tying the riots to Biden supporters
B) Cuck doesn't even consider the possibility that Wired Joe will lose.
C) I need more coffee.
There are no undecided voters. The fight is not about winning over some mythical fence sitters. The fight is about getting your people off their butt to vote. I think we are ahead in that race. We love our candidate, they do not.
I’ll confess something: I’m glad he didn’t completely collapse last night.
The declas memo came out proving categorically that the Democrat Nominee for POTUS attempted a coup against the duly elected POTUS.
As it stands, the question is should there be arrests and incarceration of Obama, HRC, Brennan, Comey, and Strozk?
Couple that with a complete Biden collapse and who knows what a desperate Cabal would do to delay, perhaps indefinitely, the next election.
Trump did fine last night. Especially against both of them. Biden maintained the veneer of legitimacy.
And now once we get past the debate, the question will be out there.
It’s going to be an interesting week.
Good analysis, I agree with it all.
The hispanic thing IS and has been an opportunity since the riots.
It goes deeper than machismo.
They detest blacks. +1
They (as a block) are used to constant pandering. They were 100% ignored last night. Completely ignored. Right under the bus with YT.
I am not sure what should be done with the opportunity other than ignoring it. More pandering by the right only draws attention to them, which they crave. I think the ignoring them and letting the leftist fawning over black culture is doing the job all by itself.
The people who hate orange man don’t realize that they’ve been told lies about Charlottesville for years.
Donald Trump DID reject neonazis and white supremacists AND he said that there were some good people who supported leaving historical statues up. He said that if the Confederate statues come down, that some day (now we have seen) the Left would be coming to take down statues of Washington and Jefferson because they owned slaves.
Chris Wallace is a back alley sex punk who KNOWS the truth about that remark and told a damned lie anyway.
NOTHING Donald Trump would’ve or could’ve changed the minds of those who hate orange man and believe the lie. Maybe in the long run they can learn the truth but in a format of 30 second and 2 minute answers with interruptions etc, forget it. “You said this! No I didn’t!”
Here’s the press conference:
President Donald Trump On Charlottesville: You Had Very Fine People, On Both Sides | CNBC
432,295 views•Aug 15, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs
Biden kept claiming that Trump inherited the great Obama-Biden economy and destroyed it (it was doing great until the shutdown, Joe). And those jobs that Obama-Biden said weren’t coming back, this is the new normal, well they came back when the policies that favored American labor returned.
Good stuff per usual, Laz. Thanks.
“Trump’s performance did not knock Biden out.”
C’mon man...er Laz. It was rope-a-dope. Did you ever see a cat toy with a mouse?
He likes to keep the wetworks...er networks ratings high.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vimZj8HW0Kg
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