Less than 10,000 have died OF Covid-19...CDC revised numbers

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Don’t recall his name at the moment, but a new key medical member was appointed to the task force about 7 - 10 days ago. I think that may have been the turning point.

Thats odd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1xwsixmSbU

Sorry for your loss, but unfortunately, statistically speaking your loved one dying was unlucky, yes.
No disrespect meant.

I think you may be right. I can’t remember his name either.

bttt

The COVID-19 virus doesn’t kill you, the EFFECTS of the COVID-19 virus kill you...viral pneumonia, ARDS, blood clots, low blood oxygen levels, cardiac arrest due to multiple organ failure due to the low O2 levels, etc., etc..

Apparently about 6% of doctors/coroners just put “COVID-19” on the death certificate. It should be 0% as COVID-19 just leads to the things that DO kill you.

https://youtu.be/8nqgZn9Izv8

https://youtu.be/1HTionnTT9I

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#underlying-med-conditions

I hope you realize most of those deaths aren’t actually from the virus.

“This data visualization presents data on weekly counts of all-cause mortality by jurisdiction of occurrence. Counts of deaths in the most recent weeks are compared with historical trends to determine whether the number of deaths in recent weeks is significantly higher than expected.”

IOW - are there actually more deaths occurring than one would have expected w/o Covid...

The significance is that if you don’t have a serious co-morbidity you could have gone to work, to ball games, to graduations, on vacations, etc.

This is exactly why we needed full statistics on all comorbidities of those hospitalizations, ICU numbers and deaths from very early on. How many of the nursing home residents who needed ICU and who died were bedridden and near death already? The media seems to want us to picture elderly people living full lives in retirement communities dying from COVID-19.

After the six weeks of “flatten the curve” and “slow the spread” we should have quarantined the sick and let a fully informed public make their own personal decisions about their own behavior.

Let’s not kid ourselves, plenty of people wanted a high body count to make sure that their own people who disagreed with them were dead for easy political dominance.

Later weeks:

The doc recently appointed to the China Virus task force is Dr Scott Atlas.

I dumped twitter, too many idiots used to tag me. I’m a lightening rod in WNY
My wife does twitter..

I get most me memes from instagram. 8kun is good too.
Anyway we can get the message out

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Does COVID-19 truly warrant a nationwide shutdown?

While COVID-19 is real and a serious threat overall to those in poor health, including the obese (42% of which Americans are) and those with compromised immune systems, that does not justify the unprecedented (relative to its overall health threat) all-ages, long-term restrictions with its drastic long-term effects on the economy and unhealthy effects that this COVID-19 response has and will result in, and which is being made increasingly clear. As mentioned later on in this response, the Asian flu of 57–59 resulted in the equivalent of approx. 200,000 COVID deaths, but did not see anything close to the response COVID-19 has. As a doctor in Sweden who saw the rise and fall of the infection there states, “the size of the response in most of the world (not including Sweden) has been totally disproportionate to the size of the threat.”[1]

One aspect that is particularly ill-advised is that of promoting “shelter-in-place” for all ages. New research in June by two medical scientists at Stanford University and UCLA found that, on average, a person in a typical medium to large U.S. county who has a single random contact with another person has a 1 in 3,836 chance of being infected without social distancing, hand-washing or mask-wearing.[2][3]

Also it is reported that according to the latest immunological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 0.1% to 0.3% and thus in the range of a severe influenza season[4] And while an estimated 1,200 children died in the 2012-2013 flu season[5] only 75 children have died due to COVID-19 (reported July 22)[6]and only 2 percent of domestic COVID-19 cases have occurred in children under 18, only 20 children under age five in the U.S. have died because of it, while the vast majority of children with severe COVID tend to have other risk factors.[7]

Meanwhile, wearing masks, while warranted in some situations, is shown to reduce blood oxygen levels (pa02) significantly, relative to the (limited) effectiveness of the mask and length of time worn. [8]And mask-wearing effects extend to dental issues such as decaying teeth, receding gum lines and seriously sour breath.[9] In addition, a new (late July) if disputable study casts doubt on the efficacy of lockdowns and masks in long-term significant reduction of COVID Transmission Rates.[10]

Also, the great fear of outside contact is hardly rational,[11] with one study of 318 outbreaks involving 1,245 cases in China finding just one transmission that occurred outdoors, infecting just two people. Most of those who were infected and died were occurred at home..[12] Up to eighty percent of people who become infected with the virus have either no symptoms or experience it as a mild respiratory infection.[13] And it is postulated that some in the “no symptoms“ class may actually be immune. [14][15]

As for quarantines, close to half of all COVID-19 deaths have occurred in long-term care facilities, especially elder care facilities which account for over 40% of US deaths.[16][17] Which means that the 99.4 percent of the country that does not reside in those facilities is roughly half as likely to die of COVID-19,[18] even to the fatality rate of COVID-19 probably being “0.13 percent for people outside nursing homes and 0.26 percent — identical to the CDC best estimate — when people in nursing homes were included.”[19]

Even with a worse-case example - far removed from the average[20] - Word Meters finds that New York City (May 1) had an Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) of 1.4% and a 0.28% crude mortality rate (CMR) to date, or 279 deaths per 100,000 population.[21] (In New York city there is normally a a death every 9.1 minutes.[22] and primarily due to its COVID-19 death rate New York state constitutes about 29% of all reported COVID-19 deaths as of May 26, with over 19,000 deaths per million,[23] and which heavily affects the overall mortality rate of the US.[24])

(From New York State)

Up to about 80 percent of those infected with COVID-19 are estimated to be silent carriers, [25][26] meaning they show no symptoms, and the New York City labor and delivery unit found 88 percent of infected patients had no symptoms, [27] while over 600 sailors on the coronavirus-stricken aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt tested positive, yet 60% of them had no symptoms such as fever, fatigue, or cough,[28]and in four U.S. state prisons nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus yet 96% were without symptoms[29] and or recover without medical care[30])

And more recently, based on CDC studies of blood samples collected nationwide, U.S. officials believe as many as 20 million Americans have contracted the coronavirus, suggesting millions had the virus and never knew it.[31]

Also, while positive diagnosis counts continue to increase as of late June, the accuracy of the tests are still largely unknown,[32] and some persons can continue to test positive for COVID-19 even 60 days after being infected,[33] but are no longer infectious,[34] while the CDC is combining test results that diagnose current coronavirus infections with test results that measure whether someone has ever had the virus.[35]

All of which not only means that the case count is misleading, but that the infected fatality rate (IFR) is much lower than the misleading case fatality rate (CFR) that is usually quoted, while the reported death rate has decreased[36] and continues to do so.

Then in early June even the WHO stated that asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is “very rare.”[37] though it later expressed that this is debatable.[38] Meanwhile the vast majority of those who die because of Covid-19 are 65 years-old or more[39] and with almost 25% of all documented Covid-assigned (which does not mean the subject was tested for Covid) fatalities in the US (91,976 as of May 18 at 8:49PM EDT) being from New York (28,480)[40] and according to one report 54% of all U.S. deaths were in the 100 counties in or within 100 miles of NYC.

And the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that almost 90 percent of U.S. coronavirus patients who have been hospitalized had underlying health problems, or comorbidities.[41][42]As of 8–22, for 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. [43]

The NIH reports that people under 65 years old without underlying predisposing conditions accounted for only 0.7–3.6% of all COVID-19 deaths in France, Italy, Netherlands, Sweden, Georgia, and New York City and 17.7% in Mexico.[44] Moreover, adults 65 and older account for 16% of the US population but 80% of COVID-19 deaths in the US, somewhat higher than their share of deaths from all causes (75%) over the same period.[45]

And which relates to the issue of inaccurate fatality numbers, partly due to the problem of determining the actual cause of death and the CDC guidelines which allow for reporting COVID-19 as the “probable” or “presumed” cause on the death certificate if the certifier even suspects COVID-19 was likely (e.g., the circumstances were compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), the cause.[46]

Which resulted in NYC suddenly adding 3,700 additional people to its death count[47](also, Federal legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment[48]. and as with deaths attributed to HIV, this has provided a financial incentive to attribute the cause of death to COVID-19[49] ), leading to charges of over-counting[50][51] while Pennsylvania removed some deaths from its count after coroner reports.[52]

Later, Colorado’s Health Department revised their official coronavirus death count from 1,150 as of May 15 downward to 878 (a reduction of 23.7 percent) and created two separate distinguishing categories, one of people who died directly because of the virus and another of people who had COVID-19 at their time of death but died of other causes that may not be attributable to the virus.[53][54] However, some others believe the problem is more that of under-counting. [55]

In addition, besides typically ignoring the low infection fatality rate, the constant alarming of increased deaths is misleading, since the CDC is conflating viral and antibody tests, combining test results that diagnose current coronavirus infections with test results that measure whether someone has ever had the virus,[56] while apparently deaths from as far back as April can be counted as new deaths.[57]

Also, another study finds that the risk of coronavirus spreading in schools is 'extremely low'.[58]

And while states continue to parrot the “stay sheltered” mantra, research shows that sunlight destroys virus quickly[59], and even a Department of Homeland Security official affirmed that increasing temperatures, humidity and sunlight are detrimental to coronavirus saliva droplets on surfaces and in the air.[60] Also, over 600 doctors signed onto a letter sent to President Trump favoring an end the "national shutdown," referring to it as being a "mass casualty incident" with "exponentially growing health consequences."[61]

Yet miles upon miles of parks and public waterfronts were shutdown, and for too long NY put infected persons in nursing homes[62] (and as of April 26, about 40 percent of COVID-19 deaths were in the state of New York alone. New Jersey was in second place, with nearly 5,900[63]yet the death rate is uncritically employed to justify nationwide lockdowns) while in states such as Illinois law-breaking prisoners were released from their “quarantine” - including some “high risk” sexual offenders[64] and some convicted of murder - [65] and almost a third of county jail inmates have been released from facilities during the coronavirus pandemic.[66] Meanwhile over 2,000[67] of the most vulnerable souls a day in “quarantine” - their mother’s womb - are murdered, many by the same persons claim to be for protecting the vulnerable.

Moreover, the extremely restrictive all-ages long-term response to COVID-19 simply has no precedent in American history except (to a degree) that of the 1918 flu (in which baseball was still played) which up to 675,000 deaths are attributed.[68]

The Asian flu pandemic of 1957-1958 resulted in a estimated 116,000 deaths in America[69] (followed by the Hong Kong flu with about est. 100,000 American deaths in 1968–69), when at about 173,000,000, the population size in 57-58 was close to half of what it is now (330,541,000, rounded figures).

Meaning that not only was the infection death rate much higher than for COVID-19, but there would have to be about 200,000 COVID-19 est. deaths to be comparable to the Asian flu as regards percentaged of population. Yet that would simply make it basically equal as concerns the numbers of deaths in proportion to population size, but to justify the "CovidCaptivity," one would have to argue that the Asian flu should have necessitated a response like that to COVID-19. The Soviets would have favored that for sure.

The question then is, where was the COVID-19 comparative response in 57-58 in proportion to its threat? Yes, the 116,000 deaths in America to the Asian flu was for the whole year, yet even if we reach about 200,000 deaths (we pray not) for COVID-19 then that type of equality would still mean that the extremely restrictive all-ages long-term response to COVID-19 simply has no precedent in American history, except to a degree with the far more deadly (550,000 to 675,000 Americans, or 0.66% of the population) 1918 flu.

And during which medics found that severely ill flu patients nursed outdoors recovered better than those treated indoors. A combination of fresh air and sunlight seems to have prevented deaths among patients; and infections among medical staff. [70]

Finally, the long-term cost for the questionable[71]“cure” - as meaning preventing deaths via the stay-sheltered COVID captivity - will be more costly in lives and money [72] including psychosocial consequences[73] than a more moderate response that would allow for a faster and more substantial rise in cases but a better decrease and overall a more healthy populace in the long run. [74][75][76]

Of course, when over 40% of Americans are obese, [77]and this condition is a primary factor relative to serious and fatal COVID-19 infections,[78]then we might expect more deaths from this virus than that of the Asian flu.

Economically, estimates project total losses in state and local revenue of up to 45 percent, effecting 90,000 nonfederal-government entities that provide and pay for most of the government services that Americans receive.[79] And while states look to the Federal government to bail them out, the additional costs and declining revenues stemming from Covid-19 are expected to produce a 2020 budget deficit in excess of $4.2 trillion.[80]

And most of government income comes from taxes, via businesses and those who are employed ( income taxes, payroll taxes, and corporate taxes)[81], yet businesses are failing across America, and in New York alone the governor stated that small businesses constitute “90 percent of New York's businesses” and “more than 100,000 have shut permanently since the pandemic hit.”[82]

Moreover (as of May 20), with 2.43 million in America filing for an unemployment,[83] the rate is at least 20%.[84] Also, according to one meta-analysis of 42 studies involving 20 million people, the risk of death increases 63 percent when one loses their job, and that for every one percentage point increase in the unemployment rate, there are 37,000 deaths, mainly from heart attacks, but another 1,000 from suicides and another 650 from homicides.[85]

On Aug. 2[86] , it was reported that thirty-six of of the top 50 cities in America had a collective 24% jump in homicides this year compared to 2019, with a total of 3,612 murders in 2020 being reported so far.

And as concerns just suicide, we have reports such as “Calls to suicide and help hotline in Los Angeles increase 8,000% due to coronavirus,”[87] and “Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek say they have seen more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the COVID-19 virus,”[88] In addition to which is a high increase of overdose in some places during COVID. [89]

Yet while we seek to save lives, 7,000 Americans die every day in the US from a wide range of causes [90] - besides over 2,000 a day being slain in the “quarantine” of their mother’s womb[91] - my prayer is that all sinners will come to repentance and faith in the risen Lord Jesus and be baptized and follow Him.

Hope this helps. PeaceByJesus

Footnotes

[1] How bad is covid really? (A Swedish doctor’s perspective)

[2] Estimated Average Probabilities of COVID-19 Infection, Hospitalization, and Death From Community Contact in the United States

[3] What’s your risk from coronavirus? Lower than we think, new study suggests

[4] Facts about Covid-19

[5] Frequently Asked Questions about Estimated Flu Burden

[6] What We Know About COVID-19 and Kids

[7] Here's what COVID-19 does to a child's body

[8] Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy

[9] 'Mask mouth': Dentists coin new term for smelly side effect of wearing a mask

[10] Lockdowns and Mask Mandates Do Not Lead to Reduced COVID...

[11] The paranoid style in COVID-19 America | Spectator USA

[12] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1.full.pdf

[13] COVID-19 shows that experts don't know everything

[14] Coronavirus: Why everyone was wrong

[15] Singapore scientists uncover SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell immunity in recovered COVID-19 & SARS patients, and in uninfected individuals

[16] STAGGERING: Nursing Home Residents Account for a Whopping 43.4% of COVID-19 Deaths, Even Though They're Less Than 1% of the U.S. Population

[17] 43% of U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Linked to Nursing Homes

[18] The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population

[19] Page on washingtonpost.com

[20] Image on justfacts.com

[21] Coronavirus Death Rate (COVID-19)

[22] Population Facts

[23] United States Coronavirus: 1,725,524 Cases and 100,573 Deaths

[24] Don't Buy the Misleading Figures. Here's the Real Story About How the U.S. Matches Up on Coronavirus Deaths

[25] Coronavirus Outbreak: Daily Updates

[26] New Study Shows the Extent of Symptom-Free Coronavirus Spread

[27] https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/20/we-tested-all-our-patients-covid-19-found-lots-asymptomatic-cases/

[28] Coronavirus clue? Most cases aboard U.S. aircraft carrier are symptom-free

[29] In four U.S. state prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms

[30] The basics on the coronavirus: What you need to know as the US becomes the new epicenter of COVID-19

[31] US health officials believe 20 million Americans have had coronavirus

[32] Accuracy of COVID-19 tests still largely unknown

[33] Why is the low hospitalization of patients with COVID-19?

[34] People Who Test Positive for COVID-19 After Recovering Not Infectious

[35] ‘How Could the CDC Make That Mistake?’

[36] COVID-19 deaths decline despite surge in cases, hospitalizations

[37] Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is 'very rare,' WHO says

[38] WHO walks back comments on asymptomatic coronavirus spread, says much is still unknown

[39] CDC: 80 percent of US coronavirus deaths are people 65 and older

[40] New York Coronavirus: 361,266 Cases and 28,480 Deaths (COVID-19 )

[41] Hospitalization Rates and Characteristics of Patients Hospitalized ...

[42] COVID-19 deaths decline despite surge in cases, hospitalizations

[43] Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

[44] Population-level COVID-19 mortality risk for non-elderly individuals overall and for non-elderly individuals without underlying diseases in pandemic epicenters

[45] What Share of People Who Have Died of COVID-19 Are 65 and Older – and How Does It Vary By State?

[46] Technical Notes: Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)

[47] N.Y.C. Death Toll Soars Past 10,000 in Revised Virus Count

[48] Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

[49] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkP1t_2u5B0&feature=share

[50] As US coronavirus death toll mounts, so does the belief by some that it is exaggerated

[51] Death Toll Conspiracy: Why Conservative Media—And Soon, Possibly Trump—Are Doubting Coronavirus Mortality Figures

[52] Pennsylvania Takes Hundreds of 'Probable' COVID Deaths Off Books After Coroners Come Forward

[53] Colorado's state health dept. revises method of counting COVID-19 deaths; 878 deaths as of Friday - KRDO

[54] Case data | Colorado COVID-19 Updates

[55] How are COVID-19 deaths counted?

[56] ‘How Could the CDC Make That Mistake?’

[57] HUGE: The Coronavirus Tracking Project's Numbers are Suspect After They Are Caught Tacking On Previous Deaths to Current Totals

[58] Risk of coronavirus spreading in schools is 'extremely low' study finds

[59] https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/04/17/sunlight-destroys-virus-quickly-new-govt-tests-find-but-experts-say-pandemic-could-last-through-summer

[60] https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-04-23/us-official-sunlight-heat-humidity-could-help-kill-coronavirus

[61] Doctors raise alarm about health effects of continued coronavirus shutdown: 'Mass casualty incident'

[62] How States Turned Nursing Homes Into ‘Slaughter Houses’ By Forcing Them to Admit Discharged COVID-19 Patients | Jon Miltimore

[63] New York vs. Texas: NY Has Nearly 50 Times More COVID-19 Deaths Per Capita | Ryan McMaken

[64] CA Gov. Frees Seven ‘High Risk’ Sex Offenders, Orders Beaches Closed, All In Same County - LaCorte News

[65] Almost 4,000 inmates released from IL prisons, 64 convicted of murder

[66] One Third Of Jail Inmates Nationwide Set Free in Unprecedented Coronavirus Jailbreak - Big League Politics

[67] Induced Abortion in the United States

[68] Spanish flu - Wikipedia

[69] 1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus)

[70] Coronavirus and the Sun: a Lesson from the 1918 Influenza Pandemic

[71] Analysis raises questions about coronavirus shutdown's effectiveness

[72] Anxiety From Reactions to Covid-19 Will Destroy At Least Seven Times More Years of Life Than Can Be Saved by Lockdowns

[73] Years of life lost due to the psychosocial consequences of COVID19 mitigation strategies based on Swiss data

[74] Stanford University doctor: 'You are mistaken' if you think coronavirus lockdowns provide safety

[75] Thanks to COVID-19, Social Security’s day of reckoning may be even closer than we thought

[76] Workers opt for unemployment as benefits exceed job pay

[77] Eating Disorder Statistics • National Association of Anorexia Nervosa and Associated Disorders

[78] Obesity Linked to Severe Coronavirus Disease, Especially for Younger Patients

[79] America’s Next Crisis Is Already Here

[80] Coronavirus Budget Projections | Manhattan Institute

[81] Who Really Pays Uncle Sam's Bills?

[82] Coronavirus Forces 100K NY Small Businesses To Close Permanently

[83] United States Initial Jobless Claims

[84] Don’t Be Fooled By Official Unemployment Rate Of 14.7%; The Real Figure Is Even Scarier

[85] Studies: The Shutdown Is NOT Lives Vs. Dollars, It’s Lives Vs. Lives - The Revolutionary Act

[86] Homicides Soar In 36 Of 50 Biggest U.S. Cities

[87] Calls to suicide and help hotline in Los Angeles increase 8,000% due to coronavirus

[88] Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say

[89] Overdose calls increase 24% and higher in some counties during COVID

[90] QuickStats: Average Daily Number of Deaths, by Month — United States,

[91] Induced Abortion in the United States

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Yes, you’re right. I have to think he’s getting some things done.

I hope you realize most of those deaths aren’t actually from the virus.
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I hope you realize most of those deaths aren’t actually from the virus.
No I don’t. I do agree that young and really healthy people survive an infection and the older and less healthy are the great majority of those who don’t.

But dying a year or two or ten before your time just because you caught this virus and you die from a heart attack, cancer or whatever still needs to be counted as a Corona virus death.

Don’t overlook the fact that the Corona virus inhibits the immune system. It slows the immune response. For those whose health is marginal that can be and often is a Corona virus death sentence.

Most of the people supposedly infected with “the virus” (which by the way has never been purely isolated) have no symptoms at all.

They continue to widen their definition of people suspected to have the virus to those with pretty much any garden variety cold, flu, or low-level immune system response symptoms. They classify now even those as coronavirus deaths if they died by suicide, an auto accident, murder and whatnot.

And of course lots of those who did die of it were killed by Cuomo and the other Dem guvs who forced Covid positive patients into nursing homes. Or who were systematically denied treatment (hello, again, NY) until they were so ill they had to be hospitalized and then were stuck on murderous ventilators for an extra $39K over the premium the hospitals were getting for them already.

Virtually nobody with D levels over 30 even needed hospitalization for it, which is why those in Northern areas in the late winter were hit the hardest.

Just look at how they are counting the Covid deaths and you will see they were not only artificially pumped through outright murder, but pumped up way more by ridiculously broad classifications.

No doubt the numbers are pumped up. Since this is all Trump’s fault there is certainly the motive there for the MSM and the establishment to do so.

But you need to explain the rapid increase in EXCESS DEATHS that track exactly with the CDC data. More people died in this country than the norm starting about April of this year.

Is the Excess Death data also being messed with. If not, then why are we suddenly seeing a surge in deaths?