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In, but not before posting in festivity. My last post there, in case it becomes interesting...
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3877417/posts?page=1691#1691
Compare this to the comments in post #62 this thread.
Ok FreeQs, I have spent most of the day reading and editing a very long and excellent document/thesis which has links to loads of video as well as photos of single frame and High rez. The link was found beyond the trees, but unfortunately, I failed to write down the poster and can’t recall the name.
The author is apparently a lawyer with an interest in deadly force/CQB incidents. Author was too wordy sometimes so I edited out sections and inserted dashes-omitted some words such as “the” etc. Some sections had to copied as is. Also edited all the profanity. The author is also editing updates and noting those at the beginning of his long analysis.
I titled the sections and saved to my open office program. I will post each segment to this post #51, so that hitting reply will bring up the entire lengthy data.
After this initial ping, later posts to 51 will mostly be to All.
KYLE RITTENHOUSE ANALYSIS OF ENCOUNTER
EXPLANATION OF CONFIDENCE IN ACCURACY:
“Jeffrey Epstein didn’t hang himself. (Reasonably high confidence)
[The check is in the mail.]? (Low confidence)
[The check]? is in the mail. (Something is in the mail, but who knows if it is the check?) “
BACK GROUND INFO:
“At least one source indicates Rittenhouse’s father may be a police officer in or near Antioch. Pictures from various social media accounts appear to show Rittenhouse handling firearms (particularly AR platforms) from a young age (7-10 years).
The Antioch Fire Department acknowledged that Rittenhouse was a “Fire Protection Cadet” at one point.
According to the Grayslake Police Department Rittenhouse was a member of the joint Public Safety Cadet Program for the Lindenhurst, Grayslake, and Hainesville police departments. The program offered ride-along sessions as well as firearms.”
training, though it is not clear how extensive these elements were or to what extent Rittenhouse participated.”
TYPE OF GUN AMMO DATA:
“Rittenhouse indicates the AR-15 platform rifle [edit: the complaint states that police recovered a “Smith & Wesson AR-15 style .223 rifle”.
Other sources claim it is a DPMS Oracle, likely based on an old photo of Rittenhouse holding one.] topped with some red dot / holographic site variant (the magnification optics from prior Rittenhouse photos have been replaced with an [EOTech]?
[edit: More recent sources suggest the rifle is topped with a cheap Chinese sight of some sort]) which he is carrying via a [single point]? sling.
A polymer, 30-round magazine is prominently visible, though no spare magazines appear to be carried.
In response to a question by the reporter about non-lethal munitions Rittenhouse indicates that he is not carrying any (the implication being that Rittenhouse is prepared to use deadly force).”
MEDICAL-from source info edited by me to sum up in one place:
“medkit” - an orange and black bag also slung crosswise across his shoulder.
Gloves - blue/purple (likely nitrile)
An interview with a reporter ends when Rittenhouse sees individual being carried along. “Medical,” he calls. “[EMS]? right here. I’m an EMT. @this point Kyle pushes past the reporter to go to the injured party.
EMT – certification ?? He could be trained but not certified-often called EMT
WOUNDS – FROM CHARGING DOCUMENTS (Dr. Kelly, M.E. Results)
SBG - gunshot wound to the right groin which fractured his pelvis, a gunshot wound to the back which perforated his right lung and liver, a gunshot wound to the left hand, a superficial gunshot wound to his lateral left thigh, and a graze gunshot wound to the right side of his forehead.
NOTE?: 5 wounds only 4 shots, what explains back wound-SBG was facing Kyle ?
SKBG - gunshot wound to his chest that perforated his heart, aorta, pulmonary artery and right lung.” - M.E.
MBG – Wound to right arm, bicep impacted-as observed in video
LEGAL ISSUES – Lawyer’s opinion(not from Wisc.)
Wisc. Law- open carry of loaded rifles and pistols OK for those 16 and older not otherwise prohibited from possessing firearms. (Age 17-Kyle is ok on this).
Per Lin Wood, No transport of weapon over state lines occurred.
SELF DEFENSE-Have the reasonable belief: that they or another person, are in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm, and that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent said harm.
The author’s lengthy review of the Engagements concludes that it is difficult to argue that Rittenhouse was not of such reasonable belief.
Very Clear cut in terms of exhaustion of alternatives short of the use of deadly force and restraint that author has encountered. Note-author thought he might have been too hesitant.
He states that a tactical instructor would likely have advised a second shot to MBG to totally neutralize threat.
GROUPS & LOCATIONS:
As one might expect, reports from the night in question are confused, but it appears as if at least two armed groups:
a local militia type group composed of or supporting business owners, and a liberty/libertarian defence collective, gathered around a number of businesses along Sheridan Road in Kenosha.
One of these businesses was Ultimate Convenience Center at 6007 Sheridan Road (formerly a Shell station).
Rittenhouse is seen apparently in the company of, if not affiliated with, one group of armed individuals. The group appears to be attached to/protecting a local business with the windows boarded up.
Rittenhouse and the members of the group can be heard interacting with local police who indicate their appreciation for the group’s presence. EDIT: NOT @ Ultimate STATION.
“People’s Revolution Movement.” -MBG apparently associated
GROUPS AND LOCATIONS CONTINUED:
“Car Source,” -maintenance facility/service garage of a car dealership - 300 meters to the south of Ultimate
NOTABLE INDIVIDUALS:
“BLM Backpack Girl” and “Grey Camo Pants.” (GCP)apparently experienced operators seen @ Ultimate and Car Source
Author remarks on calm demeanor and monitoring done by the two even when gunshots are heard.
INFO ABOUT THUGS CHASING KYLE:
CR=abbreviation for Criminal Record
J.D.Rosenbaum - Age 36. AKA Hole in Head, Short Bald Guy – referred to as SBG from here on out.
Clothing worn- red short-sleeved shirt, capri pants, white shoes, ankle-high white socks
CR- life-long sex offender registration order in Wisconsin- Arizona conviction, Paroled 2012, P. violation-2014
-corrections disciplinary violations- for Assault with a Weapon, Assault on Staff, Arson, and Possession of Narcotics.
Maybe acquainted with or acting in concert with (Huber)- Skate Board Guy(SKBG).
Most confrontational.- berates the defenders@Ultimate: “Don’t point no MoF’G gun at me [homes.]? [Unintelligible]. [I’ll f**k you]? with anything you got. Shoot me n***er. Shoot me n***er. [Bust on me]? n***er. For real.”
... altercation with the armed men: drops plastic bag with cylindrical bottles inside-forced to pick up later
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Anthony Huber-Age 26, of Silver Lake, Wisconsin. AKA (SKBG) tall guy
Clothing worn- hoodie, a blue cap, glasses, an olive drab, perhaps camouflage-patterned backpack, faded jeans, red-accented face mask- clutching a skateboard
CR-2012 Felony “Strangulation and Suffocation” (with a Domestic Abuse modifier), Felony False Imprisonment (with a Domestic Abuse and Use of a Dangerous Weapon modifier).-plead guilty. 3 years probation .
Four charges apparently from the same incident/incidents ranging from misdemeanor to felony level- dismissed.
2016-Parole Vioation -sentence of 2 years (with a yr. credit) in State Prison was order- unclear if technical or material violation/unclear if incarcerated for violation.
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Gaige P. Grosskreutz, Age 26. AKA Missing Biceps Guy (MBG) , likely associated with “People’s Revolution Movement.”
clothing worn - black shirt, yellow logo, blue baseball hat with white lettering on the front, orange scarf or handkerchief, grey-strapped backpack with red trim , yellow bottle in a pouch on the left side,
CR- Class A misdemeanor 2016, 4 month sentence-stayed-12 months of probation-required-no firearms/deadly weapons
not clear- if weapon’s restriction was lifted after parole completed.
Additional CR-disposition unknown-Felony Burglary, Misdemeanor Theft, Misdemeanor Criminal Trespass, and Misdemeanor Disorderly Conduct
ACTIVITIES & ALTERCATIONS: ?? Will be used for inaudible/garbled words GCP=gray camo pants
At ULTIMATE – Verbal Confrontation and skuffle involving SBG
At CAR SOURCE – across from medical center
-group left ULTIMATE to go to CAR SOURCE -audio indicates “Burn ??Inside” was overheard while walking to location.
Group from ULTIMATE joins group @ CAR SOURCE already smashing car windows
As group approaches CAR SOURCE foot pursuit begins –SBG-Red Shirt on Head-chasing Kyle throwing object(looks like flames) but may only be light reflection off bag containing cylindrical items
Single shot (clearly not Kyle-likely GCP), F***you heard
4 shot volley(apparently Kyle), 3 shot volley (not likely Kyle)
-—note: SBG reached for gun, Kyle pulled it away and raised it, SBG leans in toward Kyle/gun and Kyle shot him—as stated by DC reporter McGinnis.
Reporter peels off shirt to attend to SBG, Kyle makes phone call says I ????somebody.
-yells heard off camera-get that MoF***kr, someone says to Kyle -get out of here-Kyle takes off, thugs go after him...
Others join chase:
Kyle arrives@61st WhiteShirtGuy strikes -knocks off hat-Kyle stumbles/recovers-& runs -audio heard: what did he do? Shot someone. Get his a**.
SKBG is gaining ground & throws board @ Kyle, then retrieves it-Kyle falls face down, rolls over & faces 4 thugs.
-First attacker w/red backpk faces gun & retreats
-2cnd attacker in light pants is kicking@ Kyle-gun fired, light pants tumbles gets up and runs off
-3rd Attacker-split sec.later- SKBG strikes w/SKB and grabs rifle-gun fires-SKBG lets go runs 4 steps & collapes
-Kyle turns gun & looks @it for split second
-4th attacker-As shot is fired, MBG arrives with gun, stops & then charges-shot fired
-MBG grabs arm-yells MEDIC & retreats
-2 other would be attackers back off-Kyle gets up and heads toward Police line @60th street area, Kyle appears with hands up-told twice by police to get out of the way
He later turns himself in to the authorities in Antioch, Illinois.
QUOTES FROM ARTICLE BY AUTHOR (lawyer with interest in deadly force CQB incidents)
RE: MBG:
“One (Grosskreutz) melted down even though he had ample means to continue the fight. Grosskreutz is only alive today because of Rittenhouse’s amazing (perhaps even naive) restraint.
I don’t know of any tactical instructor that wouldn’t counsel a follow-up shot to center mass on Grosskreutz immediately after the arm-strike. “
“Amusing aside:
Interview with McGinnis by Detective Cepress:
“McGinnis stated that he had handled many ARs and [Rittenhouse] was not handling the weapon very well.”
Based on the videos I’ve seen Rittenhouse is one of the best weapons handlers under pressure I’ve ever seen. So much for McGinnis’ credibility.”
THE END of my report. I also saved the document from Antioch Police Department-it is also at the source link.
SOURCE LINK AGAIN IS: