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America Was Less Divided During the Civil War Than It Is Today
PJ Media ^ | 08/11/2020 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 08/11/2020 7:06:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

There is growing worry these days about whether or not we are headed for another civil war, and whether the divisions in American society are as bad as they were in the run-up to what is still the bloodiest war in American history.

In fact, there is no comparison between the divisions between Americans today and in the run-up to the Civil War. The ones today are far worse. That doesn’t necessarily mean that we are headed for a shooting war, but we certainly may be.

A civil war is by definition a war between citizens of the same country, and the American Civil War was certainly that. Both sides revered Washington, Jefferson, and the other Founding Fathers. Confederate spokesmen often termed the war their own war for independence, insisting that it was a new iteration of the same desire for self-determination that had led to the American war of independence against Britain.

Both sides respected the United States Constitution to the extent that the Constitution of the Confederate States of America was essentially a copy of that of the nation the Confederates were leaving, with a few minor modifications. It protected the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, and the freedom of religion; it allowed for “the right of the people to keep and bear arms,” it protected citizens from unreasonable search and seizure, and contained numerous other provisions taken from the earlier Constitution.

The similarity of the new Confederate nation to the Union the rebellious states were trying to leave was epitomized by the Confederate national flag, which featured the same stars and stripes arrangement as the American flag (although the stripes, or bars, were only three, and the stars thirteen, standing for the eleven Confederate states plus Kentucky and Missouri, ).

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1 posted on 08/11/2020 7:06:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Call this what it is.

Black supremacists attempting an insurrection.


2 posted on 08/11/2020 7:08:21 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: SeekAndFind
the Constitution of the Confederate States of America was essentially a copy of that of the nation the Confederates were leaving, with a few minor modifications. It protected the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, and the freedom of religion; it allowed for “the right of the people to keep and bear arms,” it protected citizens from unreasonable search and seizure, and contained numerous other provisions taken from the earlier Constitution.

Unless you were black. But you had to read between the lines to arrive at that conclusion.

Yes, yes, I know The Civil War was about The Morrill Tax and not about slavery.

3 posted on 08/11/2020 7:13:13 AM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: SeekAndFind

At the core of any political union, there has to be a consensus of commonly held values. On one side there is the depravity of neo pagan earth worship, an embrace of homosexuality and all of its decadent permutations, drug use, pornography, globalism and chronic dependence. On the other side there are righteous individuals who celebrate liberty and accomplishment. There is disunion because neither the righteous nor the depraved have much in common.


4 posted on 08/11/2020 7:14:00 AM PDT by allendale
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To: SeekAndFind

Everything is racist.
Therefore,
Nothing is.

CC


5 posted on 08/11/2020 7:28:00 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"the Constitution of the Confederate States of America was essentially a copy of that of the nation the Confederates were leaving, with a few minor modifications."

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.
6 posted on 08/11/2020 7:30:59 AM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: SeekAndFind
There is no civil war, only dreams of secession of the west coast. War game the election. Millions of write in ballots prevent vote counts.

a ruling most critical to note about saw the Supreme Court ordering that presidential elections must be decided by the time limit set by Title 3 of the United States code—and going unnoticed by the American people, was a time limit changed by the Presidential Transition Enhancement Act of 2019—a law that changed Title 3—Chapter 1—Section 1 to read: “The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President”—which means President Trump is constitutionally and legally bound to make sure that after the 3 November presidential election, each State has appointed their electors by the following Tuesday on 10 November—even if he has to sign an executive order to make it so—will see the Supreme Court backing this executive order—and predictably would see socialist Democrat Party heads exploding all across America.

The left dems can declare a rigged election and threaten secession of Oregon, Washington and California. The threat is backed up by Chinese fishing boats now conveniently staging at the Glapagos Islands. These boats carry missiles with emp warheads. The threat of secession vs emping the entire northern hemisphere is the question that will be answered by either the president or the electorate.

Capitulation to China means a new international border on the Washington, Oregon, California line. A new hot war with China on the western hemisphere. This sounds like a bad movie.

Feinstein and the entire west coast political establishment is owned lock stock and barrel by china. This will not end well for her.

7 posted on 08/11/2020 7:32:12 AM PDT by x_plus_one (Full disclosure 2020 - The universe demands light from darkness.)
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To: allendale
At the core of any political union, there has to be a consensus of commonly held values. On one side there is the depravity of neo pagan earth worship, an embrace of homosexuality and all of its decadent permutations, drug use, pornography, globalism and chronic dependence. On the other side there are righteous individuals who celebrate liberty and accomplishment. There is disunion because neither the righteous nor the depraved have much in common.

Very true! When evaluating the chances of how it will all turn out, one of the most important questions to ask is which side has the most firepower and is willing to use it?

8 posted on 08/11/2020 7:33:28 AM PDT by fireman15
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“Call this what it is.

Black supremacists attempting an insurrection.”

Disagree. The leaders and most of the participants are white leftists inflaming black grievances as a prop to try to achieve their ends - fundamentally transforming this country.

The other key participants are bleeding heart, easily guilted, self loathing whites, ie the useful idiots.

On the other side are us conservatives who want to keep the country as it was founded.

So, this struggle is mainly between the white left and the white right, the blacks are mainly serving as a propaganda fig leaf, a source of fabricated grievances, for the left to bamboozle the useful idiots that this is a struggle for “social justice”. It’s their way to capture the high moral ground, and it’s been rather effective for them.


9 posted on 08/11/2020 7:40:56 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care! Guilting you is how they control you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t know about that...but it’s definitely very divided.

And it’s the same political party again that caused it: Democrats


10 posted on 08/11/2020 7:49:53 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: aquila48

Right - this is a movement of the White Left. The racial tensions are their catalyst. This was all very well funded and planned, waiting for the right kind of event to exploit to trigger the plan into action.


11 posted on 08/11/2020 7:51:10 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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I agree white leftists are all in on this as well - but the figureheads (puppets if you will) are black and leading the movement driving black supremacy under the guise of Marxism.

It IS a race issue.

As presented.

But this is what leftists do.


12 posted on 08/11/2020 7:52:28 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: SeekAndFind

Our current Civil War is an information war.


13 posted on 08/11/2020 9:00:12 AM PDT by olepap
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Never before in our history have law makers, elected local officials and law enforcement personnel been so tolerant for criminals in the streets. It's a perfect storm, what with Soros and the Democrat/communist party funding and protecting the lawbreakers.

And the criminals are stepping in to take advantage of the opportunity.

It's not "What should we do?" It's "What are we going to do?" The answer is likely very bleak.

14 posted on 08/11/2020 9:32:46 AM PDT by LouAvul (Put them in fear, O Lord: that the nations may know themselves to be but men. Psalms 9:20)
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To: LouAvul

Follow the money. The depth of corruption at all levels is impossible to quantify.


15 posted on 08/11/2020 9:47:10 AM PDT by x_plus_one (Full disclosure 2020 - The universe demands light from darkness.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, right now it’s not quite a war, and it’s not very civil. So an uncivil unwar?


16 posted on 08/11/2020 9:49:18 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: x_plus_one

“This sounds like a bad movie.”

Probably because even Hollywood screenwriters can come up with a more realistic scenario than yours.


17 posted on 08/11/2020 9:52:38 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

It is, was and will be on Nov 3


18 posted on 08/11/2020 9:54:58 AM PDT by x_plus_one (Full disclosure 2020 - The universe demands light from darkness.)
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To: olepap
Our current Civil War is an information war.

Tell that to the people that have been killed and the store owners that have lost everything.

19 posted on 08/11/2020 10:01:24 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
This may be so. It was fairly common for Union forces who ended up in the middle of rebeldom after a major battle, even a successful one such as Tupelo, Ms to face a logistics sustainment crisis and move back toward Union
controlled country. Non ambulatory wounded were left with a stay behind detachment of doctors and hospital orderlies. The communities where this occurred were frequently swamped with both Confederate and Union wounded and caring for them was a process of many months. A particular instance of this happened in the parish seat of Mansfield, Louisiana following the twin battles of Mansfield and Sabine Crossroads. This was in a very thinly settled area SE of Shreveport. Mansfield id not a big place today and was just a small town in 1864. The entire community became a hospital and the wounded were treated without recognition of being Confederate or Union. Families would have two or more , depending on the hose size,wounded soldiers placed with them for basic care. Even the house of prostitution got a number of wounded and often dying soldiers.
Since Mansfield was pretty much in the middle of no where few wounded Union soldiers who recovered ever left until the war ended. Since recovery was a very slow process as the number of doctors was not great and the basic mode of care was close attention and keeping wounds cleaned and using clean bandages (ones that had been boiled for reuse. Every house had a boiling kettle kept fired somewhere on the lot for this task) many wounded were only reasonably recovered by late winter ‘65. After the war a number of the recovered Union wounded settled in Mansfield as the huge number of Southern men killed or dead of disease in the war offered quite a few economic opportunities. Also, during the long and pain filled process of recovery , a number of young Union soldiers became engaged to either daughters of the house where they were recovering or to one of the many young widows in the community. Mansfield may be the most dramatic of these cases but it happened pretty often especially in the west. A young man suffering from a gunshot wound, a limb amputation often with a pre existing medical condition (chronic dysentery for example was just a hurt suffering guy without either a butternut or blue uniform. I don't know how it would work out today with the ‘wokes’.
20 posted on 08/11/2020 10:33:56 AM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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